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Wow this has been the opposite of my experience. I have seen many cases where women are fast tracked or given more opportunities as engineers because of divers

Wow this has been the opposite of my experience. I have seen many cases where women are fast tracked or given more opportunities as engineers because of diversity programs. There was one case where a female engineer got her salary adjusted to median position salary because she was a woman and they didn’t want the appearance of underpaying a female engineer, meanwhile I am 16% below company median for my position.

buro9 10y ago
Two things: > got her salary adjusted to median position salary because she was a woman Really? Do you ever consider that when non-women who are given more opportunities it is because they are men? White? Tall? Are not bald? Have good teeth? If that doesn't run through your mind, please don't suggest that anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. > meanwhile I am below company median The thing with medians is that half of the company will be below that point. If everyone were on the median, then everyone is receiving precisely the same salary.
- edoceo 10y ago
  What is "cis-male"?
  - cholantesh 10y ago
    The cis- prefix denotes that the person's gender identification aligns with their biological sex.
  - deleted 10y ago
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- devnull42 10y ago
  > got her salary adjusted to median position salary because she was a woman >>Really? Yes really. She said that there was a meeting where a manager actually made a comment about underpaying her because she was a women then they immediately freaked out. >>anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. As far as this goes there was a specific initiative that was in place to cater linux to women and we were told to interview and hire them. After hiring many of these candidates and having pretty bad results we had to stop giving that program preferential treatment. Also for the record my friend who I referred to with the pay discrepancy was a fantastic engineer who was not hired through that program and she hated the program because it tried to make linux all girlie which she found offensive and demeaning.
  - watwut 10y ago
    "She said that there was a meeting where a manager actually made a comment about underpaying her because she was a women then they immediately freaked out." That sounds like she was discriminated against originally. When they inadvertently admitted it, they tried to shut her up with pay raise.
    - devnull42 10y ago
      Yeah pretty much.
- ameister14 10y ago
  >Do you ever consider that when non-women who are given more opportunities it is because they are men? White? Tall? Are not bald? Have good teeth? If that doesn't run through your mind, please don't suggest that anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. In the absence of programs specifically and openly designed to promote and hire people with good teeth, I'm not going to have that as my default reason an under-qualified person was hired. If I put together a program to emphasize building more blue cars quickly and then I see a bunch of new blue cars failing, I'm going to assume that the program resulted in lower quality cars being built. That might not be the correct reason, but it's going to be the assumption most people make naturally.

buro9 10y ago

Two things: > got her salary adjusted to median position salary because she was a woman Really? Do you ever consider that when non-women who are given more opportunities it is because they are men? White? Tall? Are not bald? Have good teeth? If that doesn't run through your mind, please don't suggest that anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. > meanwhile I am below company median The thing with medians is that half of the company will be below that point. If everyone were on the median, then everyone is receiving precisely the same salary.

edoceo 10y ago
What is "cis-male"?
- cholantesh 10y ago
  The cis- prefix denotes that the person's gender identification aligns with their biological sex.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
devnull42 10y ago
> got her salary adjusted to median position salary because she was a woman >>Really? Yes really. She said that there was a meeting where a manager actually made a comment about underpaying her because she was a women then they immediately freaked out. >>anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. As far as this goes there was a specific initiative that was in place to cater linux to women and we were told to interview and hire them. After hiring many of these candidates and having pretty bad results we had to stop giving that program preferential treatment. Also for the record my friend who I referred to with the pay discrepancy was a fantastic engineer who was not hired through that program and she hated the program because it tried to make linux all girlie which she found offensive and demeaning.
- watwut 10y ago
  "She said that there was a meeting where a manager actually made a comment about underpaying her because she was a women then they immediately freaked out." That sounds like she was discriminated against originally. When they inadvertently admitted it, they tried to shut her up with pay raise.
  - devnull42 10y ago
    Yeah pretty much.
ameister14 10y ago
>Do you ever consider that when non-women who are given more opportunities it is because they are men? White? Tall? Are not bald? Have good teeth? If that doesn't run through your mind, please don't suggest that anyone not a cis-male only gets there to meet the criteria of a diversity program. In the absence of programs specifically and openly designed to promote and hire people with good teeth, I'm not going to have that as my default reason an under-qualified person was hired. If I put together a program to emphasize building more blue cars quickly and then I see a bunch of new blue cars failing, I'm going to assume that the program resulted in lower quality cars being built. That might not be the correct reason, but it's going to be the assumption most people make naturally.