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>I care because the Model 3 is almost certainly going to be a much better car overall I'll bet that the cars from Tesla and GM within similar price range will

>I care because the Model 3 is almost certainly going to be a much better car overall I'll bet that the cars from Tesla and GM within similar price range will have similar features and performance. Why would you think that Tesla, operating at a much smaller scale, will necessarily be able to do everything cheaper and better? That seems counterintuitive; GM has scale and a dialed in supply chain.

mikeash 10y ago
I stated three specific areas where the Model 3 will be better. These aren't speculation, they're facts. The base Model 3 will be faster 0-60, and it's confirmed that they'll have high-performance options. The Bolt's driver assistance technology is anemic, while we know that the Model 3's will be at least as good as what Tesla is shipping today on the S and X. The charging infrastructure for long distance travel in the Bolt is awful, and the Bolt can't charge very quickly even if that infrastructure were better, whereas the Model 3 will be able to use Tesla's extensive Supercharger network. I couldn't tell you exactly why Tesla is able to do better than GM, despite GM having vastly more resources, but it's quite clear that they will.
- idiot_stick 10y ago
  >These aren't speculation, they're facts. The base Model 3 will be faster 0-60, You know for a fact that a car that doesn't exist yet is faster than one that does? That's interesting. I, on the other hand, will wait until there's a comparable Bolt and Model 3 on the market, with a similar price, to determine what's better. A 3 series BMW is also "better" than Bolt, but that's irrelevant. >"The charging infrastructure for long distance travel in the Bolt is awful" You realize that there are far more regular chargers across the nation than superchargers, right?
  - mikeash 10y ago
    Yes, Tesla said that the base Model 3 will be under 6 seconds for 0-60, and I'm perfectly confident in trusting them to deliver on that. "You realize that there are far more regular chargers across the nation than superchargers, right?" You realize that the vast majority of "regular chargers" are L2 units putting out 6-10kW and are therefore completely worthless for long distance travel? And that the CCS infrastructure is woefully incomplete in the US? And that even if CCS were ubiquitous, the Bolt maxes out at 180MPH charging, which is terrible? Plan a drive from NYC to LA using the Supercharger network and "regular chargers" and compare how long the trips would take. And that's assuming that the CCS units, which are often installed in single units, aren't blocked or broken.
    - idiot_stick 10y ago
      >Yes, Tesla said that the base Model 3 will be under 6 seconds for 0-60, and I'm perfectly confident in trusting them to deliver on that. This is different from a "fact". >Plan a drive from NYC to LA using the Supercharger network and "regular chargers" and compare how long the trips would take. Plan a drive across Canada, where I live, and see how far you get with the Supercharger Network. I'll be stranded 300 miles from where I start. But guess what? Charging infrastructure isn't rocket science. It can be ramped up quickly.
      - mikeash 10y ago
        The moment someone actually ramps up non-Tesla fast charging infrastructure to make long-distance travel in non-Tesla EVs, I'll remove this as a "pro" on the Tesla side. Until and unless that happens, it remains an advantage.

mikeash 10y ago

I stated three specific areas where the Model 3 will be better. These aren't speculation, they're facts. The base Model 3 will be faster 0-60, and it's confirmed that they'll have high-performance options. The Bolt's driver assistance technology is anemic, while we know that the Model 3's will be at least as good as what Tesla is shipping today on the S and X. The charging infrastructure for long distance travel in the Bolt is awful, and the Bolt can't charge very quickly even if that infrastructure were better, whereas the Model 3 will be able to use Tesla's extensive Supercharger network. I couldn't tell you exactly why Tesla is able to do better than GM, despite GM having vastly more resources, but it's quite clear that they will.

idiot_stick 10y ago
>These aren't speculation, they're facts. The base Model 3 will be faster 0-60, You know for a fact that a car that doesn't exist yet is faster than one that does? That's interesting. I, on the other hand, will wait until there's a comparable Bolt and Model 3 on the market, with a similar price, to determine what's better. A 3 series BMW is also "better" than Bolt, but that's irrelevant. >"The charging infrastructure for long distance travel in the Bolt is awful" You realize that there are far more regular chargers across the nation than superchargers, right?
- mikeash 10y ago
  Yes, Tesla said that the base Model 3 will be under 6 seconds for 0-60, and I'm perfectly confident in trusting them to deliver on that. "You realize that there are far more regular chargers across the nation than superchargers, right?" You realize that the vast majority of "regular chargers" are L2 units putting out 6-10kW and are therefore completely worthless for long distance travel? And that the CCS infrastructure is woefully incomplete in the US? And that even if CCS were ubiquitous, the Bolt maxes out at 180MPH charging, which is terrible? Plan a drive from NYC to LA using the Supercharger network and "regular chargers" and compare how long the trips would take. And that's assuming that the CCS units, which are often installed in single units, aren't blocked or broken.
  - idiot_stick 10y ago
    >Yes, Tesla said that the base Model 3 will be under 6 seconds for 0-60, and I'm perfectly confident in trusting them to deliver on that. This is different from a "fact". >Plan a drive from NYC to LA using the Supercharger network and "regular chargers" and compare how long the trips would take. Plan a drive across Canada, where I live, and see how far you get with the Supercharger Network. I'll be stranded 300 miles from where I start. But guess what? Charging infrastructure isn't rocket science. It can be ramped up quickly.
    - mikeash 10y ago
      The moment someone actually ramps up non-Tesla fast charging infrastructure to make long-distance travel in non-Tesla EVs, I'll remove this as a "pro" on the Tesla side. Until and unless that happens, it remains an advantage.