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You are a definitely "person who develops for web" but not necessarily a Web Developer within the context of any community which assigned a specific meaning to

You are a definitely "person who develops for web" but not necessarily a Web Developer within the context of any community which assigned a specific meaning to that title. The definition may, of course, change over time and it already differs across communities. On the top of my head, I know many freelancers who wouldn't consider you a web developer without good Photoshop skills and many JavaScript-oriented developers wouldn't consider you one if you can't write a line of JS without using a library. I, however, don't know any significant group which would call a person who can only author on Wix, a Web Developer. Ignoring that would surely create miscommunication and would be considered a wrong or misguided use of the title.

mcbits 10y ago
The first I heard of Wix was a few months ago when a local news site deployed their new design. The page would be completely blank for 10-15 seconds while it made hundreds of requests for useless little React turdlets. As far as I can tell, they "fixed" it by moving away from Wix. If that's normal for a Wix site, then I would say no, nobody involved on either side of the transaction is a web developer except in the most pejorative sense of the term.
- yestoallthat 10y ago
  I thought you were exaggerating, but holy cow... maybe those who disagree can find me a site from http://www.wix.com/explore/websites http://www.wix.com/explore/websites for which that doesn't hold true, because I gave up after a few which were all incredibly abysmal. Yeah, those sites are "stunning" alright. Aesthetically very bland and samey, but technically utterly stunning. I wouldn't even know how to make something that slow without using a combination of bmp images and sleeping here and there for a few seconds.
  - mcbits 10y ago
    To be fair, I just tried a few of those sites and they're not as slow as the one I had in mind. But I wasn't exaggerating about that particular site. Each page view was taking at least 10 seconds to show the first pixel of content for what is effectively a static blog.
    - yestoallthat 10y ago
      Sounds like all 3 I clicked on.. they all loaded 150+ tiny files, and started out with several seconds of a white screen.
  - vinay427 10y ago
    It doesn't help that they apparently couldn't bother to proofread the subtitle on that page. > With 1000s of stunning options, no two website are the same. "two website" => "two websites"
  - true_religion 10y ago
    Worse, it happened with that page itself. It took 10 seconds before it loaded any content beyond the header and base template.
  - cpeterso 10y ago
    It looks like Wix only tested that Explore page in Chrome and Edge. Clicking any of the "View Site" links opens two new tabs in Firefox and Safari, opens nothing in IE11, but works as expected in Chrome and Edge.
- subpixel 10y ago
  A few years ago every Wix site was Flash. So...progress, and apparently profit.
- ehnto 10y ago
  It's madness. I keep saying it, but this is basic UX stuff. Even using JIRA lately has become painful as components bounce all over the place while they sling in code asynchronously with no UX indication. Save a sub task and watch as the whole page jiggles about like it's trying to avoid being clicked. I will get you, edit button. You cannot escape my patient pointer.
TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
Someone who can use Wix could possibly be called a “Web Designer”, but “Web Developer” seems a stretch within a conventional understanding.
mseebach 10y ago
This reminds me of the "webmaster" days when the debate was over whether doing HTML could be considered "programming". My position then as now is that being a programmer (developer in this context) requires programming a programming language, and neither HTML or Wix is that. On the other hand, in practice, in the presence of a technology that non-programmers can use to build perfectly viable products, the onus is probably more on the "programming-language-programmers" to differentiate themselves and seek out the challenges that can't be solved by "HTML-programmers". If you as a programmer find yourself in a venue head to head with a Wix'er, you may win a small victory in the battle over definitions, but you will lose the war. If the problem can be solved with HTML/Wix, in most cases it should solved with them.
- jkaptur 10y ago
  Sharepoint, Wordpress, and SAP fit that description too.

mcbits 10y ago

The first I heard of Wix was a few months ago when a local news site deployed their new design. The page would be completely blank for 10-15 seconds while it made hundreds of requests for useless little React turdlets. As far as I can tell, they "fixed" it by moving away from Wix. If that's normal for a Wix site, then I would say no, nobody involved on either side of the transaction is a web developer except in the most pejorative sense of the term.

yestoallthat 10y ago
I thought you were exaggerating, but holy cow... maybe those who disagree can find me a site from http://www.wix.com/explore/websites http://www.wix.com/explore/websites for which that doesn't hold true, because I gave up after a few which were all incredibly abysmal. Yeah, those sites are "stunning" alright. Aesthetically very bland and samey, but technically utterly stunning. I wouldn't even know how to make something that slow without using a combination of bmp images and sleeping here and there for a few seconds.
- mcbits 10y ago
  To be fair, I just tried a few of those sites and they're not as slow as the one I had in mind. But I wasn't exaggerating about that particular site. Each page view was taking at least 10 seconds to show the first pixel of content for what is effectively a static blog.
  - yestoallthat 10y ago
    Sounds like all 3 I clicked on.. they all loaded 150+ tiny files, and started out with several seconds of a white screen.
- vinay427 10y ago
  It doesn't help that they apparently couldn't bother to proofread the subtitle on that page. > With 1000s of stunning options, no two website are the same. "two website" => "two websites"
- true_religion 10y ago
  Worse, it happened with that page itself. It took 10 seconds before it loaded any content beyond the header and base template.
- cpeterso 10y ago
  It looks like Wix only tested that Explore page in Chrome and Edge. Clicking any of the "View Site" links opens two new tabs in Firefox and Safari, opens nothing in IE11, but works as expected in Chrome and Edge.
subpixel 10y ago
A few years ago every Wix site was Flash. So...progress, and apparently profit.
ehnto 10y ago
It's madness. I keep saying it, but this is basic UX stuff. Even using JIRA lately has become painful as components bounce all over the place while they sling in code asynchronously with no UX indication. Save a sub task and watch as the whole page jiggles about like it's trying to avoid being clicked. I will get you, edit button. You cannot escape my patient pointer.

TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago

Someone who can use Wix could possibly be called a “Web Designer”, but “Web Developer” seems a stretch within a conventional understanding.

mseebach 10y ago

This reminds me of the "webmaster" days when the debate was over whether doing HTML could be considered "programming". My position then as now is that being a programmer (developer in this context) requires programming a programming language, and neither HTML or Wix is that. On the other hand, in practice, in the presence of a technology that non-programmers can use to build perfectly viable products, the onus is probably more on the "programming-language-programmers" to differentiate themselves and seek out the challenges that can't be solved by "HTML-programmers". If you as a programmer find yourself in a venue head to head with a Wix'er, you may win a small victory in the battle over definitions, but you will lose the war. If the problem can be solved with HTML/Wix, in most cases it should solved with them.

jkaptur 10y ago
Sharepoint, Wordpress, and SAP fit that description too.