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That's true that categories are not going to find any special love there and that's sad. Much of the foundational tradition has been made in Set Theoretic langu
by jesuslop 10y ago
That's true that categories are not going to find any special love there and that's sad. Much of the foundational tradition has been made in Set Theoretic language and its value cannot be ignored (think say on Gödel on CH), but it's sad that there is such community divide forbidding any osmosis. Categorical thinking leads to natural costless abstractions with practical unifying power and transversal applicability, and while that's not a FOM, it's an indicative that there may be something there. Also by comparison, as user fmap said, there is much coding in Set Theory. Just look at an ordered pair. In set theory it is the Kuratowski pair, and that a violent encoding. It a hack. We're not nearer to answer what they really are by that. Categorically they are a limit, which perhaps it's also not metaphysical chant, but we can feel it however less hacky.
- catnaroek 10y agoCategorically, what's a limit is an object of ordered pairs (assuming you define them negatively, by their projections), not individual ordered pairs, right? If I recall correctly, categorical thinking doesn't emphasize elements of objects much, but in certain categories (perhaps pretoposes? I forget), morphisms from the terminal object to X can be considered the “global elements” of X.
- jesuslop 10y agoyep I should have made the distinciton cartesian product and pair of elements, thanks.
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