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> Also, does anyone know of any better companies or how Facebook compares to other companies (as far as interesting projects, culture, work/life balance, etc)?
by Veratyr 10y ago
> Also, does anyone know of any better companies or how Facebook compares to other companies (as far as interesting projects, culture, work/life balance, etc)?
Which of these companies is "better" really depends on your preferences. For example, do you want to leave the US? If so, Google may be the best as it has numerous office in Europe. Do you need lots of holiday time to see the family you relocated from? If so Facebook is the best to work at as it gives you 4 weeks PTO straight up. Do you want a closed office? Only Microsoft will give you one.
I've knowledge of Google, Facebook and Microsoft (mostly through coworkers). My thoughts:
In terms of work/life balance:
- While Google has a very diverse selection of engineering offices throughout NA, Europe and Asia, Facebook and Microsoft are more limited away from their headquarters. For example in Europe, Google has engineering roles available in London, Paris, Zurich, Warsaw, Aarhus, Stockholm and Ireland. Facebook has roles in London and Dublin alone. Microsoft only London.
- Facebook does 21 days PTO from hire, Google does a seniority based system starting at 3 weeks/yr and ending at 5 weeks/yr (after 5 years employment), Microsoft does a similar seniority system but with less PTO (can't remember the number).
- I haven't heard any major horror stories from any of them in terms of overtime.
In terms of what it's like to work there:
- Microsoft actually gives you an office. Google and Facebook are into the open floor plan thing.
- My impression is that Google and Microsoft do treat engineers/products in the more "traditional" way. The company is structured as a hierarchy, you take a potential project/feature up the chain, get it approved, it's pushed back down the chain. Facebook seems to be less hierarchical and small groups are given more autonomy.
- Google is very very large and very (for a web tech company) old. It has a lot of internal technology that's not available elsewhere and it's built to make it easy to build extremely large systems. Microsoft has a lot of technology but its business is mostly selling it rather than building products on top of it. Facebook is a relatively new company and has a lot of cool shiny stuff.
- Google and Microsoft have a very diverse (in the case of Google extremely diverse) set of projects and a reasonable degree of internal mobility. A standard engineer at Google can work on Android, transfer to YouTube, then decide they'd like to work on Google Flights or Cloud. Microsoft is similarly diverse (Azure, Windows, MS Office for a few examples) but I believe it may be harder to move around internally. Facebook has plenty of mobility but not as many choices of product to work on (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus unless I'm missing something). The products are monolithic (Facebook's "YouTube" competitor is Facebook itself) so there's still a lot to do in terms of engineering work but you can't really do a totally different thing like you can at MS (desktop software to cloud) or Google (cat video hosting to mobile OS).
- In terms of moral things like data collection and net neutrality, Google and Microsoft, despite certainly not being perfect, seem to be quite clearly ahead. While Facebook makes it near impossible to see your data, let alone delete it, Google allows you to permanently delete it or prevent it from being stored at all (https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity). Microsoft was the first big company to challenge the US government when it tried to use a court order to gain access to data stored outside the US.
- jfasi 10y agoAs someone who works for Google (but is expressing his own opinion), most of what you're saying about Google seems reasonably accurate. One note: > Google is very very large and very (for a web tech company) old. It has a lot of internal technology that's not available elsewhere and it's built to make it easy to build extremely large systems. Please don't read this and get the impression that we have a lot of legacy code that just sits around. Our systems have a tendency to turn over very quickly, to the point where we joke that all infrastructure systems are either "beta" or "deprecated."
- Veratyr 10y agoYeah, I didn't mean it like that. From what I know, it's more of a "look at this enormous library of knowledge and premade tools I can use instead of doing it myself" kind of old than "look at this steaming pile of plop that hasn't been touched in years" kind of old.
- Impossible 10y agoYou're missing Oculus VR and Private Core in your list of Facebook subsidiaries.
- Veratyr 10y agoAdded Oculus. Never heard of Private Core but it doesn't seem big enough as a product to differentiate from Facebook's other internal infrastructure.
- bos 10y agoFacebook has large engineering offices in New York, Seattle, London, and Tel Aviv, and smaller presences in Boston and Dublin. There's also a vast range of engineering projects, from VR through video, mobile apps, machine learning, compilers and programming languages, operating systems, on to data centers.
- Veratyr 10y ago> Facebook has large engineering offices in New York, Seattle, London, and Tel Aviv, and smaller presences in Boston and Dublin. Updated my comment to reflect this better. I was just looking at the jobs site earlier and didn't see much in Europe outside London. Wasn't looking at the US.