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>This article also explains Uber's tendency to just ignore laws and see what they can get away with. In many jurisdictions it was - maybe still is - much worse

>This article also explains Uber's tendency to just ignore laws and see what they can get away with. In many jurisdictions it was - maybe still is - much worse than just ignoring laws, but actively conspiring to break the law. For example in Miami-Dade County where being an Uber was illegal in both the criminal and civil context, during that period Uber sent emails to drivers in Miami-Dade with instructions/training on how to actively avoid getting caught, including, but not limited to: removing the Uber phones from windshields and having passengers sit in the front seat. There is another of Uber's dirty little secrets here in Miami-Dade and that is that Uber is used by drivers to exploit undocumented immigrants, which as far as I can tell Uber is aware of and encourages/facilitates. Moreover, undocumented immigrants can't get a drivers license in Florida; therefore, can't register as Uber drivers. It happens all the time in Miami that the actual driver does not match the Uber driver profile, from my talks with those drivers they are clearly getting exploited.

bubbleRefuge 10y ago
Yes, but in SF there are Uber drivers who are undocumented but registered using fake SSNs. You can get this taken care of in the mission I'm told.
WillPostForFood 10y ago
I see the illegality, on both sides, where is the exploitation?
- will_brown 10y ago
  I suppose in prostitution there is illegality on all sides, but a prostitute could still be exploited by her pimp.
- purple-again 10y ago
  They are most likely in a pimp/prostitute type situation where they have to collect their money from the driver they are impersonating and are only getting a % of their earnings. Being an Uber driver is already a lower paying job, so only getting a % of that in Miami, a very high cost city is certaintly exploitation. Then again they are illegal immigrants so it might also be the best opportunity they could find. I sure as shit would rather drive people around in my car then pick produce in the strawberry fields we have down here.
  - cjbprime 10y ago
    You seem to be arguing that it's both exploitative and not exploitative at the same time?
    - stagbeetle 10y ago
      They're getting a job, but it's cheap labor and aren't being paid a fair wage.

bubbleRefuge 10y ago

Yes, but in SF there are Uber drivers who are undocumented but registered using fake SSNs. You can get this taken care of in the mission I'm told.

WillPostForFood 10y ago

I see the illegality, on both sides, where is the exploitation?

will_brown 10y ago
I suppose in prostitution there is illegality on all sides, but a prostitute could still be exploited by her pimp.
purple-again 10y ago
They are most likely in a pimp/prostitute type situation where they have to collect their money from the driver they are impersonating and are only getting a % of their earnings. Being an Uber driver is already a lower paying job, so only getting a % of that in Miami, a very high cost city is certaintly exploitation. Then again they are illegal immigrants so it might also be the best opportunity they could find. I sure as shit would rather drive people around in my car then pick produce in the strawberry fields we have down here.
- cjbprime 10y ago
  You seem to be arguing that it's both exploitative and not exploitative at the same time?
  - stagbeetle 10y ago
    They're getting a job, but it's cheap labor and aren't being paid a fair wage.