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All of these comments are missing the entire point of the olympics. It's like watching engineers trying to solve business problems in entrenched markets. Hint:

All of these comments are missing the entire point of the olympics. It's like watching engineers trying to solve business problems in entrenched markets. Hint: it's not a logistical/engineering problem. The olympics as they exist today are there to enrich the members of the IOC. That's it. How are any of all of these brilliant suggestions going to enrich the IOC members? I have no idea on how solve this, besides first destroying the olympic brand that they are all hiding beneath.

LeoPanthera 10y ago
> The olympics as they exist today are there to enrich the members of the IOC. There is no [citation needed] big enough for this claim.
- johansch 10y ago
  I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say.
  - samirillian 10y ago
    S/he's saying you need to have strong evidence for such a strong claim.
    - johansch 10y ago
      The "strong claim" that the IOC is corrupt? Really? Have you been following IOC news for the past two decades? Everyone knows they're corrupt, but they do own the Olympic brand. The brand is doing great, but the organization that runs it is rotten to the core. If you really do need a URL, feel free to start here: http://google.com/search?q=olympic+corruption http://google.com/search?q=olympic+corruption How do we fix this? I really can't think of a way to do it besides abandoning the term "olympic".
      - lazaroclapp 10y ago
        Strong claim that the parties necessary to hold the Olympics, namely the participating nations, chiefly care about enriching the IOC. If the countries and companies involved cared enough about it, or the public did, the brand could be bought or seized by decree and the Olympic Games modified. It is a very old term and a very old concept, so is not like it is that defensible as a trademark. Besides, at the scale of international institutions, trademarks are not particularly powerful. If the US, China, the EU and Russia wanted to change how the Olympics work, change it would.
        johansch 10y ago
        > If the US, China, the EU and Russia wanted to change how the Olympics work, change it would. Yeah, that's so likely to happen! US/China/EU/Russia caring so deeply about the health of the olympics that they collectively strike a deal to negate trademark agreements for the olympics, and together make something fair and enabled for a long life. Really? Are you at all following global politics? These power houses can't really agree on anything besides ISIS being evil. (And that's a historic breakthrough!)
        lazaroclapp 10y ago
        They agree when their interests agree, and they have plenty of treaties and rules between them when it comes to this sort of minutia. The question is, is any of them better served by a rotating Olympics than a fixed one? If the answer is yes. Say, because it gives them a chance to gain soft power via a PR demonstration of hosting the Olympics, then it will clearly not change. But my point is not that it will change, my point is that what the IOC wants doesn't decide that, what the governments involved want does. One possible way to explain the current situation is that there is a big incentive for both the EU and, in a lesser degree, the US, to have the Olympics fixed in Greece, a country inside the western system of alliances. Conversely, there is a big incentive for China and Russia to be able to compete for hosting the Olympics themselves or have them hosted in states that are more closely aligned with them, even with the economic cost involved. Smaller countries have incentives to both host or avoid hosting the Olympics. But none of this, none, depends on petty corruption from the IOC. This is not an engineering problem, but it is also not a business problem. As you pointed out just now, it is a geopolitics problem.
- Lazare 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_don't_need_to_cite_that_the_sky_is_blue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_don't_need_to_ci... :)
guelo 10y ago
That's overly simplistic. Other influences include the geo-political power play and prestige, the marketing opportunities for global brands, athlete and sport fans wishes, etc.
- johansch 10y ago
  You are just talking about the side-benefits that cause nations and companies to feed money into a corrupt system.

LeoPanthera 10y ago

> The olympics as they exist today are there to enrich the members of the IOC. There is no [citation needed] big enough for this claim.

johansch 10y ago
I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say.
- samirillian 10y ago
  S/he's saying you need to have strong evidence for such a strong claim.
  - johansch 10y ago
    The "strong claim" that the IOC is corrupt? Really? Have you been following IOC news for the past two decades? Everyone knows they're corrupt, but they do own the Olympic brand. The brand is doing great, but the organization that runs it is rotten to the core. If you really do need a URL, feel free to start here: http://google.com/search?q=olympic+corruption http://google.com/search?q=olympic+corruption How do we fix this? I really can't think of a way to do it besides abandoning the term "olympic".
    - lazaroclapp 10y ago
      Strong claim that the parties necessary to hold the Olympics, namely the participating nations, chiefly care about enriching the IOC. If the countries and companies involved cared enough about it, or the public did, the brand could be bought or seized by decree and the Olympic Games modified. It is a very old term and a very old concept, so is not like it is that defensible as a trademark. Besides, at the scale of international institutions, trademarks are not particularly powerful. If the US, China, the EU and Russia wanted to change how the Olympics work, change it would.
      - johansch 10y ago
        > If the US, China, the EU and Russia wanted to change how the Olympics work, change it would. Yeah, that's so likely to happen! US/China/EU/Russia caring so deeply about the health of the olympics that they collectively strike a deal to negate trademark agreements for the olympics, and together make something fair and enabled for a long life. Really? Are you at all following global politics? These power houses can't really agree on anything besides ISIS being evil. (And that's a historic breakthrough!)
        lazaroclapp 10y ago
        They agree when their interests agree, and they have plenty of treaties and rules between them when it comes to this sort of minutia. The question is, is any of them better served by a rotating Olympics than a fixed one? If the answer is yes. Say, because it gives them a chance to gain soft power via a PR demonstration of hosting the Olympics, then it will clearly not change. But my point is not that it will change, my point is that what the IOC wants doesn't decide that, what the governments involved want does. One possible way to explain the current situation is that there is a big incentive for both the EU and, in a lesser degree, the US, to have the Olympics fixed in Greece, a country inside the western system of alliances. Conversely, there is a big incentive for China and Russia to be able to compete for hosting the Olympics themselves or have them hosted in states that are more closely aligned with them, even with the economic cost involved. Smaller countries have incentives to both host or avoid hosting the Olympics. But none of this, none, depends on petty corruption from the IOC. This is not an engineering problem, but it is also not a business problem. As you pointed out just now, it is a geopolitics problem.
Lazare 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_don't_need_to_cite_that_the_sky_is_blue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:You_don't_need_to_ci... :)

guelo 10y ago

That's overly simplistic. Other influences include the geo-political power play and prestige, the marketing opportunities for global brands, athlete and sport fans wishes, etc.

johansch 10y ago
You are just talking about the side-benefits that cause nations and companies to feed money into a corrupt system.