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I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. If you're interested in TypeScript at all, the two were

I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. If you're interested in TypeScript at all, the two were made for each other. I'd suggest giving it a try. Just note it's closer to a text editor with IDE functionality, rather than a full-blown IDE itself.

kakarot 10y ago
I can pretty much get that and more with Notepad++ or Sublime, though. I've moved back to vim for simple text editing, N++ for casual writing and organizing my thoughts. Is there any specific feature that makes it better than other editors in your book?
- kwood 10y ago
  Apart from Intellisense completion, a full featured integrated debugger, version control integration wich supports line wise staging, a diff viewer, a fast integrated terminal that even gets link detection in the next release, proper variable renaming and a working "Go to Definition" that is even implemented in most of the third party language plugins? No. Pretty much the same as Notepad++.
  - kakarot 10y ago
    IntelliJ has all of those things. I'm not sure you understood my question. I use Webstorm daily, I'm using it this very moment. I was asking about VSCode and where it falls between IntelliJ and N++.
    - lenkite 10y ago
      I also use WebStorm. But VScode is lightweight, starts up in two seconds and typescript support is always up2date with the latest typescript release. Changing user/language preferences in VSCode is a breeze as you simple open and edit the settings files with rich language support and intellisense. WebStorm requires you to open that horrible application modal Settings dialog. VSCode is also highly responsive compared to WebStorm which tends to lag a bit. I also like the quick info and peek features of visual studio code. However, there are folks who find this distracting. WebStorm beats VSCode hands down in refactoring though.
      - kakarot 10y ago
        Yeah Webstorm's got a killer refactoring engine. When I first began using it the lag made it unusable. I'm talking up to 2000ms delay for visual feedback on my typing. Somehow that resolved itself over time though, and with my newer rig it's actually pretty damn snappy. It only takes about 15-20 seconds to spin up a virtual machine and launch Webstorm. I can't imagine how quick VSCode might be for me. I'll have to try it out tonight, everyone here has convinced me it's worth checking out.
    - kwood 10y ago
      I understood the question – and that IntelliJ has all of those things is exactly the point I was trying to make. You get most of the features from a heavyweight IDE, but they managed to get the architecture incredibly lightweight so you can use it as a "daily driver" editor as well. It is snappy enough to quickly edit some configuration or Markdown files (with live preview and clickable links), it has text based configuration files, its easy to write plugins with a couple of lines of code – and all sorts of other things that previously could only be found on the "editor-side" of the spectrum (export VISUAL="code -w", anyone?). Unique selling points are quite hard to find, most things where invented somewhere else. Its more the combination of things and walking the thin line between the text editor and IDE worlds.
      - kakarot 10y ago
        Oh ok, I just didn't understand your answer. My apologies!
- rubber_duck 10y ago
  VSCode is a lightweight IDE, despite them branding it as an editor, it understands project structure, has integrated debugging, task runners, GIT integration. Honestly if I could get TFS integration on the level of GIT (for work, although ideally we would migrate to GIT) I would dump VS - it's bloated, when stuff fails you have no clue why or hope of fixing it, VSCode mostly wraps CLI tools so if the default integration fails you can work your way through it, unlike fucking TFS magic VS integrated tracking failing or whatever. VS is still the only choice for .NET proper, but for .NET Core VSCode is usable enough and improving. TS integration is the best I've seen, they are the first to support new TS features
dotancohen 10y ago
> I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. VSCode is an Electron app, that means that it is written in Javascript and HTML5. Electron apps are notoriously resource intensive even though their UI is typically responsive. Watch your CPU usage spike and battery life plummet as you use Electron apps. Even the Slack messaging client (another Electron app) can spike a CPU under certain circumstances. And that is a simple messaging client that doesn't have to parse and markup code like an IDE does.

kakarot 10y ago

I can pretty much get that and more with Notepad++ or Sublime, though. I've moved back to vim for simple text editing, N++ for casual writing and organizing my thoughts. Is there any specific feature that makes it better than other editors in your book?

kwood 10y ago
Apart from Intellisense completion, a full featured integrated debugger, version control integration wich supports line wise staging, a diff viewer, a fast integrated terminal that even gets link detection in the next release, proper variable renaming and a working "Go to Definition" that is even implemented in most of the third party language plugins? No. Pretty much the same as Notepad++.
- kakarot 10y ago
  IntelliJ has all of those things. I'm not sure you understood my question. I use Webstorm daily, I'm using it this very moment. I was asking about VSCode and where it falls between IntelliJ and N++.
  - lenkite 10y ago
    I also use WebStorm. But VScode is lightweight, starts up in two seconds and typescript support is always up2date with the latest typescript release. Changing user/language preferences in VSCode is a breeze as you simple open and edit the settings files with rich language support and intellisense. WebStorm requires you to open that horrible application modal Settings dialog. VSCode is also highly responsive compared to WebStorm which tends to lag a bit. I also like the quick info and peek features of visual studio code. However, there are folks who find this distracting. WebStorm beats VSCode hands down in refactoring though.
    - kakarot 10y ago
      Yeah Webstorm's got a killer refactoring engine. When I first began using it the lag made it unusable. I'm talking up to 2000ms delay for visual feedback on my typing. Somehow that resolved itself over time though, and with my newer rig it's actually pretty damn snappy. It only takes about 15-20 seconds to spin up a virtual machine and launch Webstorm. I can't imagine how quick VSCode might be for me. I'll have to try it out tonight, everyone here has convinced me it's worth checking out.
  - kwood 10y ago
    I understood the question – and that IntelliJ has all of those things is exactly the point I was trying to make. You get most of the features from a heavyweight IDE, but they managed to get the architecture incredibly lightweight so you can use it as a "daily driver" editor as well. It is snappy enough to quickly edit some configuration or Markdown files (with live preview and clickable links), it has text based configuration files, its easy to write plugins with a couple of lines of code – and all sorts of other things that previously could only be found on the "editor-side" of the spectrum (export VISUAL="code -w", anyone?). Unique selling points are quite hard to find, most things where invented somewhere else. Its more the combination of things and walking the thin line between the text editor and IDE worlds.
    - kakarot 10y ago
      Oh ok, I just didn't understand your answer. My apologies!
rubber_duck 10y ago
VSCode is a lightweight IDE, despite them branding it as an editor, it understands project structure, has integrated debugging, task runners, GIT integration. Honestly if I could get TFS integration on the level of GIT (for work, although ideally we would migrate to GIT) I would dump VS - it's bloated, when stuff fails you have no clue why or hope of fixing it, VSCode mostly wraps CLI tools so if the default integration fails you can work your way through it, unlike fucking TFS magic VS integrated tracking failing or whatever. VS is still the only choice for .NET proper, but for .NET Core VSCode is usable enough and improving. TS integration is the best I've seen, they are the first to support new TS features

dotancohen 10y ago

> I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. VSCode is an Electron app, that means that it is written in Javascript and HTML5. Electron apps are notoriously resource intensive even though their UI is typically responsive. Watch your CPU usage spike and battery life plummet as you use Electron apps. Even the Slack messaging client (another Electron app) can spike a CPU under certain circumstances. And that is a simple messaging client that doesn't have to parse and markup code like an IDE does.