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Announcing DatHTTPD
- webmaven 10y agoThis is really cool. Nice to see the Dat protocol[0] getting more uses and implementations. [0] https://datproject.org/ https://datproject.org/
- adrianpike 10y agoI think that's the wrong URL. I believe you meant https://www.datprotocol.com/ https://www.datprotocol.com/
- pfraze 10y agoBoth are right. Dat project is the nonprofit that runs the protocol development
- webmaven 10y agopfraze, what are you impressions of Upspin?: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13700492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13700492
- pfraze 10y agoVery sensible design decisions and it's hard not to get excited about Rob Pike's involvement. I think Dat confers significant advantage by being hostless, but with Google's name behind it, you never know where Upspin could go. We have plans for secure key-distribution via Dat that's similar to Key Transparency, but it'll take us a couple months to a year to implement it. I feel bad for the Keybase team right now, that's for sure.
- webmaven 10y ago> but with Google's name behind it Yeah, given the developers, I wonder how seriously to take the "not an official Google product" statement. > I feel bad for the Keybase team right now I wonder what they are going to do to respond to these developments...
- pfraze 10y agoThis is a part of the Beaker p2p browser project [1]. This server lets you host websites over the Dat protocol with DNS shortnames, as well as HTTPS as a fallback for (let's say) "legacy" browsers. Happy to answer questions. 1. https://beakerbrowser.com/ https://beakerbrowser.com/ EDIT: direct link to the repo https://github.com/beakerbrowser/dathttpd https://github.com/beakerbrowser/dathttpd. We also have Prometheus/Grafana integration which is pretty handy; it's currently the easiest way to watch the health of a swarm.
- ploxiln 10y agoIs there any other way to convert from short-ish names to dat addresses, currently or planned? (If short names always depend on some content hosted at https://same-domain.tld https://same-domain.tld, what's the point?)
- p4bl0 10y agoHas anyone tested Dat and also knows ZeroNet and IPFS? How do they compare? Dat seems very similar to ZeroNet.
- johnhenry 10y agoI've tried all three. Quick and dirty differences: ZeroNet is for sharing websites by public key -- meaning the data the public key points to is mutable by the whoever possesses the private key. Dat is for storing generic content (which may or not be a website) by public key. IPFS is for storing generic content by hash -- meaning that the data the address points to is immutable. You should also be aware of IPNS, a public key system from the makers of IPFS, thought I'm more of a fan of Dat than anything else.
- shakna 10y agoI can chime in with a different perspective here - code quality. I helped out ZeroNet for a while. I even ran a bridge for public access without ZeroNet for a while. The main task I was undertaking was bringing in testing. There were large problems. The main developer refused to use pip for dependencies, a misunderstanding that it requires admin privileges. So instead, the dependencies were half a list that the user must install, and half lived inside the git repo. I suggested git submodules but it was shot down as inconvenient for manual testing. I countered that the dependencies were increasingly out of date, including some critical security issues - and was told to go find another project. On the other hand, IPFS has been incredibly professional, really on top with critical security bugs. Beaker has been a rather pleasant experience when patching any holes that appear.
- bigiain 10y ago"I countered that the dependencies were increasingly out of date, including some critical security issues - and was told to go find another project." Classy... Note to self to never consider that project.
- anentropic 10y agoSo... it's developed by someone who doesn't know how to do Python :(
- scott113341 10y agoThe "Configure the variables in this post" is an incredible touch that makes reading the examples so much more instantly relatable and recognizable. I will definitely be stealing this pattern for my own purposes!
- devoply 10y agowould be really interesting to see a social network built on top of this.
- pfraze 10y agostay tuned
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoThis is perhaps slightly off-topic, but a concern I've had with systems like IPFS and Dat is that they seem to harm privacy, because objects are not encrypted, and consequently also would among other things not be censorship-resistant, and be more likely to cause legal issues for an owner of a node which ends up holding illegal content involuntarily. Has there been any work in this regard?
- haarts 10y agoI've discussed this at some point in the IPFS IRC channel. Their line of reasoning was that you could just as easily host encrypted blobs on IPFS and be done with it. That somewhat appeals to me, encryption of content seems orthogonal to hosting it. It feels like the Unix dogma 'do one thing and do it well'.
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoYou could do it yourself, but in 2017, I'm not sure optional DIY privacy and censorship-resistance is acceptable. It ought to be done transparently and automatically by the implementation. Encryption isn't slow, it wouldn't hurt performance or anything like that. Plus, if everything's encrypted, it doesn't attract attention to the people who appear to have something to hide. The model I have in mind would be what mega.co.nz does: store opaque ciphertexts, and distribute links containing the keys to said ciphertexts. So instead of a link to someproto://hash/ you'd link to someproto:://hash/decryptionkey/. And your IPS/Dat/whatever client would handle decryption for you.
- jhoechtl 10y agoHow does Dat compare to Noms? https://github.com/attic-labs/noms https://github.com/attic-labs/noms