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For passersby who were confused like I was: IntelliJ Community Edition has absolutely no support for Javascript or Typescript, which is not noted clearly in the

by XaspR8d 10y ago

For passersby who were confused like I was: IntelliJ Community Edition has absolutely no support for Javascript or Typescript, which is not noted clearly in the help docs. You apparently need Ultimate Edition to get it. I was real excited that I could finally use the same IDE for front-end and back-end too... :/

kakarot 10y ago
The price gets lower each year for the first few years you renew your license. My company pays for my license but I think it's hella worth it and I'd pay it on my own if I had to. I avoid VS like the plague and I've never really felt at home in an IDE until I started using IntelliJ. It's the only thing that was able to get me off of Notepad++
- SquareWheel 10y ago
  I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. If you're interested in TypeScript at all, the two were made for each other. I'd suggest giving it a try. Just note it's closer to a text editor with IDE functionality, rather than a full-blown IDE itself.
  - kakarot 10y ago
    I can pretty much get that and more with Notepad++ or Sublime, though. I've moved back to vim for simple text editing, N++ for casual writing and organizing my thoughts. Is there any specific feature that makes it better than other editors in your book?
    - kwood 10y ago
      Apart from Intellisense completion, a full featured integrated debugger, version control integration wich supports line wise staging, a diff viewer, a fast integrated terminal that even gets link detection in the next release, proper variable renaming and a working "Go to Definition" that is even implemented in most of the third party language plugins? No. Pretty much the same as Notepad++.
      - kakarot 10y ago
        IntelliJ has all of those things. I'm not sure you understood my question. I use Webstorm daily, I'm using it this very moment. I was asking about VSCode and where it falls between IntelliJ and N++.
        lenkite 10y ago
        I also use WebStorm. But VScode is lightweight, starts up in two seconds and typescript support is always up2date with the latest typescript release. Changing user/language preferences in VSCode is a breeze as you simple open and edit the settings files with rich language support and intellisense. WebStorm requires you to open that horrible application modal Settings dialog. VSCode is also highly responsive compared to WebStorm which tends to lag a bit. I also like the quick info and peek features of visual studio code. However, there are folks who find this distracting. WebStorm beats VSCode hands down in refactoring though.
        kakarot 10y ago
        Yeah Webstorm's got a killer refactoring engine. When I first began using it the lag made it unusable. I'm talking up to 2000ms delay for visual feedback on my typing. Somehow that resolved itself over time though, and with my newer rig it's actually pretty damn snappy. It only takes about 15-20 seconds to spin up a virtual machine and launch Webstorm. I can't imagine how quick VSCode might be for me. I'll have to try it out tonight, everyone here has convinced me it's worth checking out.
        kwood 10y ago
        I understood the question – and that IntelliJ has all of those things is exactly the point I was trying to make. You get most of the features from a heavyweight IDE, but they managed to get the architecture incredibly lightweight so you can use it as a "daily driver" editor as well. It is snappy enough to quickly edit some configuration or Markdown files (with live preview and clickable links), it has text based configuration files, its easy to write plugins with a couple of lines of code – and all sorts of other things that previously could only be found on the "editor-side" of the spectrum (export VISUAL="code -w", anyone?). Unique selling points are quite hard to find, most things where invented somewhere else. Its more the combination of things and walking the thin line between the text editor and IDE worlds.
    - rubber_duck 10y ago
      VSCode is a lightweight IDE, despite them branding it as an editor, it understands project structure, has integrated debugging, task runners, GIT integration. Honestly if I could get TFS integration on the level of GIT (for work, although ideally we would migrate to GIT) I would dump VS - it's bloated, when stuff fails you have no clue why or hope of fixing it, VSCode mostly wraps CLI tools so if the default integration fails you can work your way through it, unlike fucking TFS magic VS integrated tracking failing or whatever. VS is still the only choice for .NET proper, but for .NET Core VSCode is usable enough and improving. TS integration is the best I've seen, they are the first to support new TS features
  - dotancohen 10y ago
    > I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. VSCode is an Electron app, that means that it is written in Javascript and HTML5. Electron apps are notoriously resource intensive even though their UI is typically responsive. Watch your CPU usage spike and battery life plummet as you use Electron apps. Even the Slack messaging client (another Electron app) can spike a CPU under certain circumstances. And that is a simple messaging client that doesn't have to parse and markup code like an IDE does.
- radicalbyte 10y ago
  VS Code is like Sublime Text. Nothing like VS or Eclipse.
- jogjayr 10y ago
  Like other replies said, VS Code is nothing like VS. I've been a dedicated Sublime Text user for years (wary of IDEs like you) but VS code kicks ST2/3's butt for Typescript development.
  - kakarot 10y ago
    Thanks, I'll have to give it a shot!
rtpg 10y ago
It's a bit of an investment if you're still a student, but if you're working full time as a programmer, the JetBrains IDEs are the highest bang for your buck. Beyond the basic functionality working, the paid versions have a lot of cross-langauge support (PyCharm gets a huge chunk of the JetStorm functionality) which means that autocomplete "just works". Like when I'm writing Angular templates, it looks up my custom directives and provides autocomplete on that. It is able to give autocomplete inside Angular expressions (down to looking up the controller and providing type information if you're using Typescript) inside my Django templates. It's a lot of fuzzy searching but they have very good heuristics. I think it would be near-impossible to get this cross-language support in Atom/Emacs, if only because it requires the I in IDE. Totally worth it.
- yareally 10y ago
  > It's a bit of an investment if you're still a student They have free licenses for students that includes all their products and a discount when you graduate. If you're making money off it, the license cost for intellij or just webstorm is pretty cheap. https://www.jetbrains.com/student/ https://www.jetbrains.com/student/
dotancohen 10y ago
>I was real excited that I could finally use the same IDE for front-end and back-end too... :/ And that editor has the absolute best VIM keybinding implementation of any popular IDE outside real VIM / NeoVIM. If you haven't looked yet, this is what finally got me out of the terminal for coding: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/idea/plugin/164-ideavim https://plugins.jetbrains.com/idea/plugin/164-ideavim

by XaspR8d 10y ago

kakarot 10y ago

The price gets lower each year for the first few years you renew your license. My company pays for my license but I think it's hella worth it and I'd pay it on my own if I had to. I avoid VS like the plague and I've never really felt at home in an IDE until I started using IntelliJ. It's the only thing that was able to get me off of Notepad++

SquareWheel 10y ago
I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. If you're interested in TypeScript at all, the two were made for each other. I'd suggest giving it a try. Just note it's closer to a text editor with IDE functionality, rather than a full-blown IDE itself.
- kakarot 10y ago
  I can pretty much get that and more with Notepad++ or Sublime, though. I've moved back to vim for simple text editing, N++ for casual writing and organizing my thoughts. Is there any specific feature that makes it better than other editors in your book?
  - kwood 10y ago
    Apart from Intellisense completion, a full featured integrated debugger, version control integration wich supports line wise staging, a diff viewer, a fast integrated terminal that even gets link detection in the next release, proper variable renaming and a working "Go to Definition" that is even implemented in most of the third party language plugins? No. Pretty much the same as Notepad++.
    - kakarot 10y ago
      IntelliJ has all of those things. I'm not sure you understood my question. I use Webstorm daily, I'm using it this very moment. I was asking about VSCode and where it falls between IntelliJ and N++.
      - lenkite 10y ago
        I also use WebStorm. But VScode is lightweight, starts up in two seconds and typescript support is always up2date with the latest typescript release. Changing user/language preferences in VSCode is a breeze as you simple open and edit the settings files with rich language support and intellisense. WebStorm requires you to open that horrible application modal Settings dialog. VSCode is also highly responsive compared to WebStorm which tends to lag a bit. I also like the quick info and peek features of visual studio code. However, there are folks who find this distracting. WebStorm beats VSCode hands down in refactoring though.
        kakarot 10y ago
        Yeah Webstorm's got a killer refactoring engine. When I first began using it the lag made it unusable. I'm talking up to 2000ms delay for visual feedback on my typing. Somehow that resolved itself over time though, and with my newer rig it's actually pretty damn snappy. It only takes about 15-20 seconds to spin up a virtual machine and launch Webstorm. I can't imagine how quick VSCode might be for me. I'll have to try it out tonight, everyone here has convinced me it's worth checking out.
      - kwood 10y ago
        I understood the question – and that IntelliJ has all of those things is exactly the point I was trying to make. You get most of the features from a heavyweight IDE, but they managed to get the architecture incredibly lightweight so you can use it as a "daily driver" editor as well. It is snappy enough to quickly edit some configuration or Markdown files (with live preview and clickable links), it has text based configuration files, its easy to write plugins with a couple of lines of code – and all sorts of other things that previously could only be found on the "editor-side" of the spectrum (export VISUAL="code -w", anyone?). Unique selling points are quite hard to find, most things where invented somewhere else. Its more the combination of things and walking the thin line between the text editor and IDE worlds.
  - rubber_duck 10y ago
    VSCode is a lightweight IDE, despite them branding it as an editor, it understands project structure, has integrated debugging, task runners, GIT integration. Honestly if I could get TFS integration on the level of GIT (for work, although ideally we would migrate to GIT) I would dump VS - it's bloated, when stuff fails you have no clue why or hope of fixing it, VSCode mostly wraps CLI tools so if the default integration fails you can work your way through it, unlike fucking TFS magic VS integrated tracking failing or whatever. VS is still the only choice for .NET proper, but for .NET Core VSCode is usable enough and improving. TS integration is the best I've seen, they are the first to support new TS features
- dotancohen 10y ago
  > I also avoid VS, but VSCode is nothing at all like its big brother. It's actually very quick and lean. VSCode is an Electron app, that means that it is written in Javascript and HTML5. Electron apps are notoriously resource intensive even though their UI is typically responsive. Watch your CPU usage spike and battery life plummet as you use Electron apps. Even the Slack messaging client (another Electron app) can spike a CPU under certain circumstances. And that is a simple messaging client that doesn't have to parse and markup code like an IDE does.
radicalbyte 10y ago
VS Code is like Sublime Text. Nothing like VS or Eclipse.
jogjayr 10y ago
Like other replies said, VS Code is nothing like VS. I've been a dedicated Sublime Text user for years (wary of IDEs like you) but VS code kicks ST2/3's butt for Typescript development.
- kakarot 10y ago
  Thanks, I'll have to give it a shot!

rtpg 10y ago

It's a bit of an investment if you're still a student, but if you're working full time as a programmer, the JetBrains IDEs are the highest bang for your buck. Beyond the basic functionality working, the paid versions have a lot of cross-langauge support (PyCharm gets a huge chunk of the JetStorm functionality) which means that autocomplete "just works". Like when I'm writing Angular templates, it looks up my custom directives and provides autocomplete on that. It is able to give autocomplete inside Angular expressions (down to looking up the controller and providing type information if you're using Typescript) inside my Django templates. It's a lot of fuzzy searching but they have very good heuristics. I think it would be near-impossible to get this cross-language support in Atom/Emacs, if only because it requires the I in IDE. Totally worth it.

yareally 10y ago
> It's a bit of an investment if you're still a student They have free licenses for students that includes all their products and a discount when you graduate. If you're making money off it, the license cost for intellij or just webstorm is pretty cheap. https://www.jetbrains.com/student/ https://www.jetbrains.com/student/

dotancohen 10y ago

>I was real excited that I could finally use the same IDE for front-end and back-end too... :/ And that editor has the absolute best VIM keybinding implementation of any popular IDE outside real VIM / NeoVIM. If you haven't looked yet, this is what finally got me out of the terminal for coding: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/idea/plugin/164-ideavim https://plugins.jetbrains.com/idea/plugin/164-ideavim