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Jim Keller deserves a frigging statue in front of the AMD HQ, if he doesn't have one there already. I'm not even kidding. His efforts shouldn't be easily forgot
by mtgx 10y ago
Jim Keller deserves a frigging statue in front of the AMD HQ, if he doesn't have one there already. I'm not even kidding. His efforts shouldn't be easily forgotten, and it could serve to inspire new generations of AMD engineers.
Beyond the product quality itself, I think AMD has had a pretty smart launch strategy by releasing the CPU chips first to show that it can beat "Intel's best".
But they really need to start focusing on notebooks ASAP. That's where they can steal most of the market from Intel, especially now that Intel is showing signs of (slowly) abandoning the notebook market, by prioritizing Xeons over notebook checks for its new node generations.
AMD should prioritize notebook chips either next year or the one after that, at the latest. They should be making the notebook chips first, before the PC ones. They need that market share and awareness in the consumer market.
In terms of how they should compete against Intel in the notebook market, I would do it like this (at the very least - AMD could do it even better, if it can):
vs Celeron: 2 Ryzen cores with SMT disabled
vs Pentium: 2 Ryzen cores with SMT enabled
vs Core i3: 4 Ryzen cores with SMT disabled. Or keep SMT and lower clock speeds, as Intel did it. This may help further push consumers as well as developers towards using "more cores/threads".
vs Core i5 (dual core): 4 cores with SMT enabled
vs Core i5 (quad core/no HT): 4 cores with SMT enabled + higher clocks and better pricing. Maybe even 6-core with HT, if AMD goes the 6-core route. I honestly don't even know why Intel decided to make "Core i5" a quad-core chip as well, and its Core i7 a dual-core chip as well. It's so damn confusing - but maybe that was the goal. For differentiation's sake, it may be better for AMD to have a 6-core at this level or maybe even an 8 core with SMT disabled - so same thing as Intel, but with twice the physical cores. I don't know why but for some reason 6-cores don't attract me much. It feels like an "incomplete" chip.
vs Core i7 (quad core/HT): 8 cores with SMT enabled
The guiding principle for this strategy should be "twice the cores or threads with competitive/better single-thread performance, and competitive/better pricing).
In a way it would be the inverse of the PC strategy where they maintain the number of cores but cut the price in half. This would mainly focus on doubling the number of cores (because notebooks come with so few in the first place), while maintaining similar or better pricing.
The only ones that don't really fit well in this strategy are the Celeron and Pentium competitors and that's because a dual-core Ryzen, even at low clock speeds should destroy Intel's Atom-based Celeron and Pentium. We could be looking at a least +50% performance difference, and that's what AMD should strive for there as well. AMD should show Intel what a mistake it made when it tried to sell overpriced smartphone chips for laptop chip prices.
- cat199 10y agoFrom what I recall of their recent marketing material, it seemed like like they are looking to corner the market on 64bit ARM servers and also have some hybrid amd64/ARM chip plans to help people wanting to take advantage of ARM in datacenters migrate.. but I'm no expert and this is based on a recollection of marketing materials from a few months back - 64bit arm could be a huge thing in large scale light-duty computing centers (e.g. web/cloud datacenters) because of the cooling/horizontal scale out and also mobile/IOT/industrial so this isn't quite as crazy as it sounds.
- bryanlarsen 10y agoAMD K12[1] is their full-custom ARM64 core. Originally scheduled for 2016, it was delayed to focus on Zen, probably the right move. It's still scheduled for 2017, but there hasn't been much noise about it for a long time so I suspect it's been delayed, as they're still focusing on Zen & Vega. Zen & K12 probably share a lot of elements, so if Zen is awesome, K12 probably will be too. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K12
- hajile 10y agoProject Skybridge was cancelled in 2015 (supposedly something to do with GF 20nm). Maybe they'll look at it again once current plans are proven to be executing well.
- mizzack 10y agoIt'll be interesting to see how Vega and on-die HBM ties into all of this with Infinity Fabric. AMD has been laying this foundation for a while. A "Zega" APU would be killer in notebooks as well as HPC...