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This has nothing to do with libertarianism nor serves as a coherent critique of it. In fact, some of your points are things that we see readily in governments t

by muninn_ 10y ago

This has nothing to do with libertarianism nor serves as a coherent critique of it. In fact, some of your points are things that we see readily in governments today. As an example, many corrupt police officers exist in many government systems, including western countries. A critique of libertarianism based on such things is not well thought out.

zzzeek 10y ago
we live in a democracy. In Ferguson, police were abusive and corrupt. Mass protests followed, media attention was gathered, changes were made. In libertarian land, mass protests against police corruption and abuse occur, the media is not allowed to enter, the protestors are all shot on sight. The end. The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government.
- muninn_ 10y ago
  Or maybe it doesn't happen. In hypothetical land anything goes!
- consentist 10y ago
  > The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government. This is why libertarian constitution is designed to be simple and objective, as much as possible. Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it. The philosophy also happen to rely on technology to enforce the constitution which rules out subjectiveness/corruption considerably. Also though there are many variations in libertarianism but none of it will interfere between two consenting adults (such as buying drugs etc). Thus no wars on drugs.
  - zzzeek 10y ago
    > Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it. which, as pointed out, is completely hypothetical and additionally defies common sense. burden is on libertarians to prove this extraordinary claim. unfortunately, most non-libertarians don't know/care enough about the whole issue to even demand such proof which is why we are stuck with all this "soft" libertarianism roaming about causing great damage.
    - consentist 10y ago
      My claim is: highly objective criminal-code/constitution ==> low corruption. Do you disagree with this ? Any couter examples. Note: "jailtime += 20yrs if skin_color==black" is objective but not libertarian.

by muninn_ 10y ago

zzzeek 10y ago

we live in a democracy. In Ferguson, police were abusive and corrupt. Mass protests followed, media attention was gathered, changes were made. In libertarian land, mass protests against police corruption and abuse occur, the media is not allowed to enter, the protestors are all shot on sight. The end. The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government.

muninn_ 10y ago
Or maybe it doesn't happen. In hypothetical land anything goes!
consentist 10y ago
> The burden is on libertarians to explain exactly why this would not happen in the absense of any democratically elected government. This is why libertarian constitution is designed to be simple and objective, as much as possible. Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it. The philosophy also happen to rely on technology to enforce the constitution which rules out subjectiveness/corruption considerably. Also though there are many variations in libertarianism but none of it will interfere between two consenting adults (such as buying drugs etc). Thus no wars on drugs.
- zzzeek 10y ago
  > Corruption can happen anywhere but libertarian governments would be among the last to have it. which, as pointed out, is completely hypothetical and additionally defies common sense. burden is on libertarians to prove this extraordinary claim. unfortunately, most non-libertarians don't know/care enough about the whole issue to even demand such proof which is why we are stuck with all this "soft" libertarianism roaming about causing great damage.
  - consentist 10y ago
    My claim is: highly objective criminal-code/constitution ==> low corruption. Do you disagree with this ? Any couter examples. Note: "jailtime += 20yrs if skin_color==black" is objective but not libertarian.