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So, illegals are cheap slaves who work at the farms?

by Shihan 10y ago

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
People who work hard for money are 'slaves' now? No, slaves are people in chains, like the ones we're 'rounding up' to send back.
- Retric 10y ago
  Slaves have often received pay, it's defined by deminished legal rights not nessisarily income.
- literallycancer 10y ago
  "Working hard" isn't inherently valuable. I really don't get this protestant obsession. "I know we pay you peanuts, but at least you get to work hard."
feld 10y ago
They are cheap labor everywhere, the backbone of this country. When Latinos went on strike (illegal and legal) in Wisconsin to send a message to Walker every restaurant in Madison was shutdown and the farmers were panicking because nobody was there to milk the cows, and that's very bad for the cows. The ideal result here would probably be to streamline the path to citizenship, make it significantly cheaper, and get these people paying taxes as soon as possible.
- severine 10y ago
  > get these people paying taxes as soon as possible I think that's a mistaken assumption. Undocumented immigrants pay far more in taxes than they get back: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocum...
  - rbcgerard 10y ago
    As someone in the country illegally, why would they be entitled to get anything back? If per chance you meant they are net contributors to the "system" that is unsupported by your citation
    - throwayawnotime 10y ago
      I think you should set up an angry-squaw club with the other trolls here ;-)
    - jorgeleo 10y ago
      Because otherwise is legalized stealing. Pay money, but don't get the benefits of what that money buys?
- icantdrive55 10y ago
  Yes--they are cheap labor. In the 70's, how did America function without the cheap labor? It used to be when a guy needed a job, their was always a low skills job for the taking, or they could go into business for themselfs. You could start up start up a landscaping businesses. Those jobs are just gone. A lot could go into construction, and make a decent living. Those construction jobs, including slightly technical jobs, like Telecommunication Workers, mostly pay minimum wage. Bradley Electric gets people to commute to San Francisco, work eight hour days, use their own tools, all for minimum wage. (My dad did his apprentabntenship with the owner, if still alive. The owner was taught, and paid very well by local 6. He then decided to open a non-Union shop, and pay minimum wage. He, and his family lived like a king. What I am saying is there used to be a plethora of chit jobs, jobs that people could pick and choose from. Jobs perfect for teens, low skilled, guys whom had nervous breakdowns, and the like. And people--who just wanted a simple mindless job. Some Americans didn't want the high pressure career, they just wanted a job. When you have people whom come to this country and don't care about wages, or working conditions; you get this economy. You get employers who don't give raises. You get employers who go onto business knowing they will always have a cheap pool of labor that won't ask for much. My sister started her shoe business on paying less than minimum wage. She's a muli-millionaire now, but only started to pay her employees minimum wage a few years ago. The Latinos are all living together, and pool their income. My sister lives like Ivanka Trump. I get hammered for this post, but employers have taken advantage of this cheap labor. My rich neighbors have taken advantage of this cheap labor. How will we ever see wage growth if there's always someone their to do the job cheaper? I don't by that jobs will go unfilled if some of the illegial cheap labor goes home. Employers might need make their jobs a bit more enticing, or lower that profit margin a bit?
- areyousure 10y ago
  For anyone looking into the claim "When Latinos went on strike (illegal and legal) in Wisconsin to send a message to Walker every restaurant in Madison was shutdown", it appears to be a reference to "Day Without Latinos" last year in Madison on Thursday, February 18 (not to be confused with similar events this year). I could find articles that indicated that some restaurants planned to close, eg http://www.wpr.org/madison-restaurants-are-closing-day-without-latinos http://www.wpr.org/madison-restaurants-are-closing-day-witho... , but nothing to suggest that even a substantial fraction of restaurants closed. This article http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Day-Without-Latinos-protest-planned-369156771.html http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Day-Without-Latinos-prot... lists nine restaurants (with multiple locations) that were closed, with no indication that were more.
trome 10y ago
Pretty much, most of the workers rights gains made by Cesar Chavez have been rolled back, hence why workers are forced to shit in the fields (due to a lack of places to do the needful), thus causing e coli and other outbreaks. Same thing has happened in the meat packing industry, worker protections have been gutted, and conditions there are similar to those described in The Jungle, a book which helped cause that industry to unionize and fight for safe & sanitary working conditions. Up in Canada, they straight up import workers for low end jobs, hence why at Tim Hortons up north, you will rarely if ever see a native Canadian, its nearly entirely Asians, cause they are there on worker visas. The Canadian Govt has decided their workforce should be doing something better than making coffee or baking donuts, which isn't the worst idea when properly implemented.

So, illegals are cheap slaves who work at the farms?

by Shihan 10y ago

So, illegals are cheap slaves who work at the farms?

People who work hard for money are 'slaves' now? No, slaves are people in chains, like the ones we're 'rounding up' to send back.

Retric 10y ago
Slaves have often received pay, it's defined by deminished legal rights not nessisarily income.
literallycancer 10y ago
"Working hard" isn't inherently valuable. I really don't get this protestant obsession. "I know we pay you peanuts, but at least you get to work hard."

feld 10y ago

They are cheap labor everywhere, the backbone of this country. When Latinos went on strike (illegal and legal) in Wisconsin to send a message to Walker every restaurant in Madison was shutdown and the farmers were panicking because nobody was there to milk the cows, and that's very bad for the cows. The ideal result here would probably be to streamline the path to citizenship, make it significantly cheaper, and get these people paying taxes as soon as possible.

severine 10y ago
> get these people paying taxes as soon as possible I think that's a mistaken assumption. Undocumented immigrants pay far more in taxes than they get back: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocum...
- rbcgerard 10y ago
  As someone in the country illegally, why would they be entitled to get anything back? If per chance you meant they are net contributors to the "system" that is unsupported by your citation
  - throwayawnotime 10y ago
    I think you should set up an angry-squaw club with the other trolls here ;-)
  - jorgeleo 10y ago
    Because otherwise is legalized stealing. Pay money, but don't get the benefits of what that money buys?
icantdrive55 10y ago
Yes--they are cheap labor. In the 70's, how did America function without the cheap labor? It used to be when a guy needed a job, their was always a low skills job for the taking, or they could go into business for themselfs. You could start up start up a landscaping businesses. Those jobs are just gone. A lot could go into construction, and make a decent living. Those construction jobs, including slightly technical jobs, like Telecommunication Workers, mostly pay minimum wage. Bradley Electric gets people to commute to San Francisco, work eight hour days, use their own tools, all for minimum wage. (My dad did his apprentabntenship with the owner, if still alive. The owner was taught, and paid very well by local 6. He then decided to open a non-Union shop, and pay minimum wage. He, and his family lived like a king. What I am saying is there used to be a plethora of chit jobs, jobs that people could pick and choose from. Jobs perfect for teens, low skilled, guys whom had nervous breakdowns, and the like. And people--who just wanted a simple mindless job. Some Americans didn't want the high pressure career, they just wanted a job. When you have people whom come to this country and don't care about wages, or working conditions; you get this economy. You get employers who don't give raises. You get employers who go onto business knowing they will always have a cheap pool of labor that won't ask for much. My sister started her shoe business on paying less than minimum wage. She's a muli-millionaire now, but only started to pay her employees minimum wage a few years ago. The Latinos are all living together, and pool their income. My sister lives like Ivanka Trump. I get hammered for this post, but employers have taken advantage of this cheap labor. My rich neighbors have taken advantage of this cheap labor. How will we ever see wage growth if there's always someone their to do the job cheaper? I don't by that jobs will go unfilled if some of the illegial cheap labor goes home. Employers might need make their jobs a bit more enticing, or lower that profit margin a bit?
areyousure 10y ago
For anyone looking into the claim "When Latinos went on strike (illegal and legal) in Wisconsin to send a message to Walker every restaurant in Madison was shutdown", it appears to be a reference to "Day Without Latinos" last year in Madison on Thursday, February 18 (not to be confused with similar events this year). I could find articles that indicated that some restaurants planned to close, eg http://www.wpr.org/madison-restaurants-are-closing-day-without-latinos http://www.wpr.org/madison-restaurants-are-closing-day-witho... , but nothing to suggest that even a substantial fraction of restaurants closed. This article http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Day-Without-Latinos-protest-planned-369156771.html http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Day-Without-Latinos-prot... lists nine restaurants (with multiple locations) that were closed, with no indication that were more.

trome 10y ago

Pretty much, most of the workers rights gains made by Cesar Chavez have been rolled back, hence why workers are forced to shit in the fields (due to a lack of places to do the needful), thus causing e coli and other outbreaks. Same thing has happened in the meat packing industry, worker protections have been gutted, and conditions there are similar to those described in The Jungle, a book which helped cause that industry to unionize and fight for safe & sanitary working conditions. Up in Canada, they straight up import workers for low end jobs, hence why at Tim Hortons up north, you will rarely if ever see a native Canadian, its nearly entirely Asians, cause they are there on worker visas. The Canadian Govt has decided their workforce should be doing something better than making coffee or baking donuts, which isn't the worst idea when properly implemented.