most PHP developers don't use frameworks. there have been no "substantial frameworks" for nearly all of PHP's history, and the attitude among common users is th

most PHP developers don't use frameworks. there have been no "substantial frameworks" for nearly all of PHP's history, and the attitude among common users is that PHP isn't responsible for helping you out with security. it doesn't help that coding style in nearly every PHP book I've seen is insecure and unmaintainable.