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The frightening part about your post is that you might not even be trolling.

by Mithaldu 10y ago

sgift 10y ago
Why is this frightening?
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago
  Presumably because it's trying to equate San Francisco liberals venting about Trump supporters, with the legal oppression of women and minorities with the full backing of the state. A level of false equivalency that is terrifying for people who are slowly realising that a large number of Trump supporters have lost all touch with reality. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire 59% of Trump supporters believe the last president of the United states was not a citizen of the US, and therefore ineligible to be president. 66% believe that Obama is lying about his religion and is secretly a muslim. Put together, that is some real "Protocals of the Elders of Zion" stuff. No wonder they want to ban muslims, they actually believe the country has already been secretly taken over by them. There's multiple bestseller books that claim exactly that. People pushing this conspiracy are all over the Republican establishment and Trump and other public figures drop blatant dog-whistles that just sound like stupidity to normal people, but confirm these paranoid fantasies for believers. Trump actually said on television that Obama actively helped the Orlando shooting. And people in this thread are like "well, I like his tax policies" and "people are so rude to supporters of Fascism, that's the real fascism!".
  - sgift 10y ago
    > Trump actually said on television that Obama actively helped the Orlando shooting. And people in this thread are like "well, I like his tax policies" and "people are so rude to supporters of Fascism, that's the real fascism!". The question I ask myself is where does being "rude" end and oppression of your opposition start. I'm thinking about this in the broader context of multiple elections happening here in Europe this year and what is the appropriate response. On one hand I'm strictly in the camp that if you say shit people should be fully allowed to critize you for it. On the other hand I'm not sure this is a helpful strategy to further the wanted end. That aside, this sub-thread is about the fine line where the power relations change and those who weren't in power before now start to abuse that power themselves. I've seen multiple calls to legally oppress people that voted for Trump. That's as wrong to me as legal oppression of women and minorities. I don't know if there's such a thing as "good oppression", but I have a feeling the answer is no.
    - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
      The Republican party literally stood in court and argued that it was okay for them to prevent Democrats voting! That it would only be illegal if they targetted black voters with voter suppresion efforts because of their race, but targetting them because they know they would vote Democrats was entirely legal. They do this all over the country and have done so consistently for decades and continue to do so today (actually more so as federal restrictions were removed by the supreme court). Maybe one day we'll need to worry about women and minorities suppressing white men, but we're not there yet.
      - sgift 10y ago
        > Maybe one day we'll need to worry about women and minorities suppressing white men, but we're not there yet. Do you think we should wait until we are there, so we can again react to problems instead of preventing them? People stated that they want to do this. Does this make the things the other side did any less horrible? No, multiple things can be horrible at the same time.
    - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
      >The question I ask myself is where does being "rude" end and oppression of your opposition start. With state power and ownership of material resources, duh. Being a dick to someone isn't oppression. Making them homeless is oppression. Rounding them up and putting them into a camp is oppression. Shooting them is oppression. Do people not realize that these things happen today?

The frightening part about your post is that you might not even be trolling.

sgift 10y ago

Why is this frightening?

ZeroGravitas 10y ago
Presumably because it's trying to equate San Francisco liberals venting about Trump supporters, with the legal oppression of women and minorities with the full backing of the state. A level of false equivalency that is terrifying for people who are slowly realising that a large number of Trump supporters have lost all touch with reality. "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire 59% of Trump supporters believe the last president of the United states was not a citizen of the US, and therefore ineligible to be president. 66% believe that Obama is lying about his religion and is secretly a muslim. Put together, that is some real "Protocals of the Elders of Zion" stuff. No wonder they want to ban muslims, they actually believe the country has already been secretly taken over by them. There's multiple bestseller books that claim exactly that. People pushing this conspiracy are all over the Republican establishment and Trump and other public figures drop blatant dog-whistles that just sound like stupidity to normal people, but confirm these paranoid fantasies for believers. Trump actually said on television that Obama actively helped the Orlando shooting. And people in this thread are like "well, I like his tax policies" and "people are so rude to supporters of Fascism, that's the real fascism!".
- sgift 10y ago
  > Trump actually said on television that Obama actively helped the Orlando shooting. And people in this thread are like "well, I like his tax policies" and "people are so rude to supporters of Fascism, that's the real fascism!". The question I ask myself is where does being "rude" end and oppression of your opposition start. I'm thinking about this in the broader context of multiple elections happening here in Europe this year and what is the appropriate response. On one hand I'm strictly in the camp that if you say shit people should be fully allowed to critize you for it. On the other hand I'm not sure this is a helpful strategy to further the wanted end. That aside, this sub-thread is about the fine line where the power relations change and those who weren't in power before now start to abuse that power themselves. I've seen multiple calls to legally oppress people that voted for Trump. That's as wrong to me as legal oppression of women and minorities. I don't know if there's such a thing as "good oppression", but I have a feeling the answer is no.
  - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
    The Republican party literally stood in court and argued that it was okay for them to prevent Democrats voting! That it would only be illegal if they targetted black voters with voter suppresion efforts because of their race, but targetting them because they know they would vote Democrats was entirely legal. They do this all over the country and have done so consistently for decades and continue to do so today (actually more so as federal restrictions were removed by the supreme court). Maybe one day we'll need to worry about women and minorities suppressing white men, but we're not there yet.
    - sgift 10y ago
      > Maybe one day we'll need to worry about women and minorities suppressing white men, but we're not there yet. Do you think we should wait until we are there, so we can again react to problems instead of preventing them? People stated that they want to do this. Does this make the things the other side did any less horrible? No, multiple things can be horrible at the same time.
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    >The question I ask myself is where does being "rude" end and oppression of your opposition start. With state power and ownership of material resources, duh. Being a dick to someone isn't oppression. Making them homeless is oppression. Rounding them up and putting them into a camp is oppression. Shooting them is oppression. Do people not realize that these things happen today?