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Over the last few years I've gone from wanting to visit the US and planning it as one of the next few holidays I'd like to do, to wanting to visit the US but ho

by NamTaf 10y ago

Over the last few years I've gone from wanting to visit the US and planning it as one of the next few holidays I'd like to do, to wanting to visit the US but holding off until 'later', to now simply not wanting to visit due to these sort of policies and actions at the border. It's a shame; US citizens are generally lovely people, the US natural environment is beautiful and, hell, the US makes killer craft beers that I'd love to drink my way through. However, there's enough other destinations around the world to keep me busy so that I don't have to possibly subject myself to this sort of treatment, and therefore I'll visit them instead.

te_chris 10y ago
Go to NZ. Natural wonder of the world and the craft beer is killer. You'll thank me.
- handedness 10y ago
  With a little effort I'm sure his righteous indignation will have no difficulty finding a reason not to visit NZ, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload_legal_case#Arrests_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload_legal_case#Arrests_... That kind of thinking is dangerous, though, in all forms: equating people with their governments is the beginning of the end, in all directions.
- NamTaf 10y ago
  Being on the east coast of AU, I'm well aware and love visiting it. :) You're absolutely right, more people should visit NZ! Also, Garage Project do phenomenal work. Love their stuff.
- superfad 10y ago
  They will be asking for passwords in NZ too before too long by the sound of it. https://nzccl.org.nz/content/customs-able-demand-unlockpasswords-border https://nzccl.org.nz/content/customs-able-demand-unlockpassw... Plus there is what happened to Sam Blackman http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11171475 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...
darkhorn 10y ago
Educated won't visit the USA anymore. Only the people with desperate need for a job will "visit" the USA.
- kalleboo 10y ago
  I know plenty of Europeans who are still enchanted enough by "Friends", "Sex and the City", "Breaking Bad", etc who are dying to visit the US. These stories don't have mainstream impact yet.
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    not sure about being enchanted by some tv shows, but yeah some people would still want to visit US, in land mass this big there is always something interesting to see (culture really ain't the draw for the US). these days I just keep explaining to them all the humiliation they would be exposed and hence they change plans accordingly. so will we. world is a beautiful place, too big to cover it properly in a lifetime. go where it's exotic (this ain't US), where you are actually welcomed (again not US), experience traditional culture (what? seeing how shamefully native indians were/are treated? no thank you) and so on. if you are into big cities, european and asian places are way more interesting and intense anyway.
flukus 10y ago
> to now simply not wanting to visit due to these sort of policies and actions at the border. I think that's actually the best way to achieve change in this case. Will suck for the tourism industry though.
chasing 10y ago
Don't let the shitbag xenophobe minority convince you to not visit our country. Stick it to 'em by bringing your foreign ass here and enjoying the hell out of the place.
- castle-bravo 10y ago
  Not possible if I'm stopped at the border because of my bedroom activities.
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    most people travel to places they are welcomed at, not where you face hostility and suspition right upon entry.
rowanseymour 10y ago
Only 19% of the US population voted for Trump, and only a portion of those actually wanted people to be harassed at airports. There are a lot bad things happening right now, but for the most part, the US hasn't changed fundamentally in the last month, and it's still full of great people and amazing places to visit.
- NamTaf 10y ago
  This existed before Trump. That's why I said 'the last few years'. It seems like the US government has had a steady drift towards police state for some time. This is reflected in many facets of the government's approach to authority, for exmaple the militarisation of police forces, border controls, TSA, etc. etc.
  - rowanseymour 10y ago
    Fair point and I agree about that steady drift which I think really got going after 9/11.

by NamTaf 10y ago

te_chris 10y ago

Go to NZ. Natural wonder of the world and the craft beer is killer. You'll thank me.

handedness 10y ago
With a little effort I'm sure his righteous indignation will have no difficulty finding a reason not to visit NZ, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload_legal_case#Arrests_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload_legal_case#Arrests_... That kind of thinking is dangerous, though, in all forms: equating people with their governments is the beginning of the end, in all directions.
NamTaf 10y ago
Being on the east coast of AU, I'm well aware and love visiting it. :) You're absolutely right, more people should visit NZ! Also, Garage Project do phenomenal work. Love their stuff.
superfad 10y ago
They will be asking for passwords in NZ too before too long by the sound of it. https://nzccl.org.nz/content/customs-able-demand-unlockpasswords-border https://nzccl.org.nz/content/customs-able-demand-unlockpassw... Plus there is what happened to Sam Blackman http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11171475 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...

darkhorn 10y ago

Educated won't visit the USA anymore. Only the people with desperate need for a job will "visit" the USA.

kalleboo 10y ago
I know plenty of Europeans who are still enchanted enough by "Friends", "Sex and the City", "Breaking Bad", etc who are dying to visit the US. These stories don't have mainstream impact yet.
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  not sure about being enchanted by some tv shows, but yeah some people would still want to visit US, in land mass this big there is always something interesting to see (culture really ain't the draw for the US). these days I just keep explaining to them all the humiliation they would be exposed and hence they change plans accordingly. so will we. world is a beautiful place, too big to cover it properly in a lifetime. go where it's exotic (this ain't US), where you are actually welcomed (again not US), experience traditional culture (what? seeing how shamefully native indians were/are treated? no thank you) and so on. if you are into big cities, european and asian places are way more interesting and intense anyway.

flukus 10y ago

> to now simply not wanting to visit due to these sort of policies and actions at the border. I think that's actually the best way to achieve change in this case. Will suck for the tourism industry though.

chasing 10y ago

Don't let the shitbag xenophobe minority convince you to not visit our country. Stick it to 'em by bringing your foreign ass here and enjoying the hell out of the place.

castle-bravo 10y ago
Not possible if I'm stopped at the border because of my bedroom activities.
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  most people travel to places they are welcomed at, not where you face hostility and suspition right upon entry.

rowanseymour 10y ago

Only 19% of the US population voted for Trump, and only a portion of those actually wanted people to be harassed at airports. There are a lot bad things happening right now, but for the most part, the US hasn't changed fundamentally in the last month, and it's still full of great people and amazing places to visit.

NamTaf 10y ago
This existed before Trump. That's why I said 'the last few years'. It seems like the US government has had a steady drift towards police state for some time. This is reflected in many facets of the government's approach to authority, for exmaple the militarisation of police forces, border controls, TSA, etc. etc.
- rowanseymour 10y ago
  Fair point and I agree about that steady drift which I think really got going after 9/11.