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No universities are seekers of truth and knowledge, even a cursory glance at the progress of knowledge and understanding will demonstrate this to be true. I mea

No universities are seekers of truth and knowledge, even a cursory glance at the progress of knowledge and understanding will demonstrate this to be true. I mean, seriously, where would technology be without universities? Don't let your political ideology blind you to the actual world that we live in. The issue is the unwillingness of those attending to take advantage of the full diversity of views and life experiences that university life has to offer.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
It's unreasonable to claim to be seekers of truth and knowledge when asking for money (as you are) and then immediately eschew those ideals when Milo comes to speak (as tps5 is doing).
- dandersh 10y ago
  Except Milo is a professional troll interested in self-promotion, not knowledge and truth. Most importantly though you are taking a simplistic all or nothing approach where any (perceived) transgression disqualifies the entire history of knowledge seeking and sharing of ideas.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    I'm saying that if universities want to ask for money based on claims that they are about knowledge and the sharing of ideas, then they should be held responsible when they fail to uphold those ideals. In much the same way, I want to very strictly ensure that the police uphold the law. The police hold a privileged position and they should be held to stricter standards. Socrates was also a professional troll. Should he (if he were not mortal) be barred from universities? As for Milo, I've never watched him until yesterday. I saw a bunch of journalists claiming he supported pedophilia, yet refusing to quote him or even link to the video. So I figured I was being mislead (I was!) and watched the actual video. While he is full of hyperbole, flamboyance and ridiculousness, he's also making valid points mixed in with it. For example, one of his major points is that the left wing identity politics is just a rhetorical weapon, not a real principle - that's why a "flaming queer" like him isn't allowed to hide behind it.
    - dandersh 10y ago
      No, you're trying to claim that they are not upholding those ideals by citing the actions against an individual whose occupation is not guided by these ideals, and in the process you want to discredit Universities ENTIRELY as a result. It's absurd. LOL @ Socrates being a professional troll. I feel like I'm being trolled when I read stuff like this... So you were citing the treatment of someone whom "who had never watched until yesterday" in support of your claim about Universities and open acceptance of ideas. That's a pretty good summation of how ideologically driven your arguments are. It sure didn't stop him from trying to hide behind "being a child abuse victim" to excuse his behavior. But that just makes him a hypocrite, what makes him a troll is that whatever "valid points" he has serves the interest of provocation, not discussion.
      - yummyfajitas 10y ago
        My first comment was discrediting universities entirely conditional on tps5's claim that they are merely political actors, same as anyone else. I favor free speech, free thought and open inquiry even for ideas that I feel are harmful or dishonest. I want universities to be bastions of these values. For example, although feminists are far more dishonest than Milo and far more hostile to open inquiry and free thought, I still favor allowing them to speak at universities. They should even have the right to criticize specific individuals (like Milo was going to) and argue against the very freedom that allows them to speak. My knowledge of a specific speaker is completely irrelevant, because the argument I'm making has nothing whatsoever to do with who the speaker is or the content of his talk.

yummyfajitas 10y ago

It's unreasonable to claim to be seekers of truth and knowledge when asking for money (as you are) and then immediately eschew those ideals when Milo comes to speak (as tps5 is doing).

dandersh 10y ago
Except Milo is a professional troll interested in self-promotion, not knowledge and truth. Most importantly though you are taking a simplistic all or nothing approach where any (perceived) transgression disqualifies the entire history of knowledge seeking and sharing of ideas.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  I'm saying that if universities want to ask for money based on claims that they are about knowledge and the sharing of ideas, then they should be held responsible when they fail to uphold those ideals. In much the same way, I want to very strictly ensure that the police uphold the law. The police hold a privileged position and they should be held to stricter standards. Socrates was also a professional troll. Should he (if he were not mortal) be barred from universities? As for Milo, I've never watched him until yesterday. I saw a bunch of journalists claiming he supported pedophilia, yet refusing to quote him or even link to the video. So I figured I was being mislead (I was!) and watched the actual video. While he is full of hyperbole, flamboyance and ridiculousness, he's also making valid points mixed in with it. For example, one of his major points is that the left wing identity politics is just a rhetorical weapon, not a real principle - that's why a "flaming queer" like him isn't allowed to hide behind it.
  - dandersh 10y ago
    No, you're trying to claim that they are not upholding those ideals by citing the actions against an individual whose occupation is not guided by these ideals, and in the process you want to discredit Universities ENTIRELY as a result. It's absurd. LOL @ Socrates being a professional troll. I feel like I'm being trolled when I read stuff like this... So you were citing the treatment of someone whom "who had never watched until yesterday" in support of your claim about Universities and open acceptance of ideas. That's a pretty good summation of how ideologically driven your arguments are. It sure didn't stop him from trying to hide behind "being a child abuse victim" to excuse his behavior. But that just makes him a hypocrite, what makes him a troll is that whatever "valid points" he has serves the interest of provocation, not discussion.
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      My first comment was discrediting universities entirely conditional on tps5's claim that they are merely political actors, same as anyone else. I favor free speech, free thought and open inquiry even for ideas that I feel are harmful or dishonest. I want universities to be bastions of these values. For example, although feminists are far more dishonest than Milo and far more hostile to open inquiry and free thought, I still favor allowing them to speak at universities. They should even have the right to criticize specific individuals (like Milo was going to) and argue against the very freedom that allows them to speak. My knowledge of a specific speaker is completely irrelevant, because the argument I'm making has nothing whatsoever to do with who the speaker is or the content of his talk.