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But university students should be exposed to 'deliberate trolling'. They are supposed to be developing critical thinking skills so they should be able to realiz

by hueving 10y ago

But university students should be exposed to 'deliberate trolling'. They are supposed to be developing critical thinking skills so they should be able to realize on their own that they are being trolled and leave the speech/room/whatever. The current environment in universities is such that students are protected from ever dealing with uncomfortable topics, which leaves them inadequately prepared to intellectually engage them in the real world.

kaitai 10y ago
I work at a university and don't find that my students are protected from dealing with uncomfortable topics. I do find that they're more willing to talk about uncomfortable topics than in the past -- people say they don't like x or y and do like z or w rather than simply remaining politely silent as they have in other times. There seems to be an idea that you have to listen silently with socially-appropriate nodding to speakers about uncomfortable topics in order to have "dealt with them", and instead a lot of students argue back these days. Which is better, lie back & listen or have a discussion? While it's occasionally uncomfortable to have students argue with me, it's much less a waste of my time than talking to a room of cell-phone-illuminated slack expressions.
- hueving 10y ago
  >a lot of students argue back these days. Which is better, lie back & listen or have a discussion? Arguing back is great! What's not is petitioning to have you banned from the campus or punished in a title 9 inquisition[1] because the topics you taught made them uncomfortable. 1. http://laurakipnis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/My-Title-IX-Inquisition-The-Chronicle-Review-.pdf http://laurakipnis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/My-Title-I...
  - kaitai 10y ago
    If you read the petition, it doesn't say anything about being banned from campus [1]. The title IX investigation was ridiculously mishandled, agreed, and the two grad student complainants also allege it was mishandled [2]. The whole thing involves at least 4 title IX investigations and four+ lawsuits if you're going to count the original sexual harassment lawsuits Kipnis wrote about in her Chronicle article (which is where she made the initial factual errors that led to some of the subsequent title IX complaints). I have to say, none of this was about anything she taught: it was about her commentary in a national publication on specific ongoing harassment lawsuits and countersuits. [1] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScr34pXKmDVPSXbi4TQx2Yp01Rar8HOIm0nxxAOUhUSp-6waw/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScr34pXKmDVPSXbi4TQ... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/laura-kipnis-essay-northwestern-title-ix_n_7470046.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/laura-kipnis-essay-...
    - hueving 10y ago
      > I have to say, none of this was about anything she taught: it was about her commentary in a national publication on That's what makes it so much worse. Just expressing an opinion off campus in public was enough to bring this on.
tchaffee 10y ago
And deliberate trolls should be exposed to protests. Protests are a form of speech too.

by hueving 10y ago

kaitai 10y ago

I work at a university and don't find that my students are protected from dealing with uncomfortable topics. I do find that they're more willing to talk about uncomfortable topics than in the past -- people say they don't like x or y and do like z or w rather than simply remaining politely silent as they have in other times. There seems to be an idea that you have to listen silently with socially-appropriate nodding to speakers about uncomfortable topics in order to have "dealt with them", and instead a lot of students argue back these days. Which is better, lie back & listen or have a discussion? While it's occasionally uncomfortable to have students argue with me, it's much less a waste of my time than talking to a room of cell-phone-illuminated slack expressions.

hueving 10y ago
>a lot of students argue back these days. Which is better, lie back & listen or have a discussion? Arguing back is great! What's not is petitioning to have you banned from the campus or punished in a title 9 inquisition[1] because the topics you taught made them uncomfortable. 1. http://laurakipnis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/My-Title-IX-Inquisition-The-Chronicle-Review-.pdf http://laurakipnis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/My-Title-I...
- kaitai 10y ago
  If you read the petition, it doesn't say anything about being banned from campus [1]. The title IX investigation was ridiculously mishandled, agreed, and the two grad student complainants also allege it was mishandled [2]. The whole thing involves at least 4 title IX investigations and four+ lawsuits if you're going to count the original sexual harassment lawsuits Kipnis wrote about in her Chronicle article (which is where she made the initial factual errors that led to some of the subsequent title IX complaints). I have to say, none of this was about anything she taught: it was about her commentary in a national publication on specific ongoing harassment lawsuits and countersuits. [1] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScr34pXKmDVPSXbi4TQx2Yp01Rar8HOIm0nxxAOUhUSp-6waw/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScr34pXKmDVPSXbi4TQ... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/laura-kipnis-essay-northwestern-title-ix_n_7470046.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/31/laura-kipnis-essay-...
  - hueving 10y ago
    > I have to say, none of this was about anything she taught: it was about her commentary in a national publication on That's what makes it so much worse. Just expressing an opinion off campus in public was enough to bring this on.

tchaffee 10y ago

And deliberate trolls should be exposed to protests. Protests are a form of speech too.