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Personally, I think Trello is pretty crappy. Unlike you, I'll give some examples: - Not usable without browser plugins - Referencing cards from other systems

by edejong 10y ago

Personally, I think Trello is pretty crappy. Unlike you, I'll give some examples: - Not usable without browser plugins - Referencing cards from other systems impossible (no stable urls) - Referencing other systems from cards difficult. For example, try referencing a commit in a repo - Not all actions on cards are logged - Referencing cards from within cards in a stable way is impossible (hello web!) - Limited keyboard control - Changing certain things concurrently does not warn user - Only two part hierarchy - The complexity of over engineering processes shows up in a year in both JIRA and Trello. But in Trello you can't blame the program. - Drag and drop frustrations in Firefox - Side scrolling nightmare when pasting long logs because of narrow design of cards - Endless gimmicks - Advertisements in cards for plugins (at least I think it was) I can go on, but I think I've made my point. Could you give specific reasons why you don't like JIRA?

tghw 10y ago
- What are you missing that browser plugins add? - Cards do have stable URLs. Not sure why you think they don't. - A Github url to a commit will link to that URL. Powerups can be used if you want tighter integration. - Very few people actually need this. If you do, then you need a fully auditable system. - Copy paste the card URL. Again, card URLs are stable and Trello will detect that it's a card URL. - There are fairly extensive keyboard shortcuts: https://trello.com/shortcuts https://trello.com/shortcuts - Such as? - Boards -> Lists -> Cards -> Description/Comments/Check Lists/Polls/etc. At least 4 levels. - Is this a prediction?? - Sounds like a Firefox problem. - Are you putting logs in the titles of the cards? - Such as? - Haven't ever seen an ad in a card. It sounds like you set out with the intention of not liking it and found (or made up?) reasons.
- edejong 10y ago
  - names of tags on cards, card id's for referencing from git commits, smarter use of screen estate. Everyone I work with uses at least a couple of plugins. - Not when you move them from board to board - But that's not linking a commit, that's linking to github. In JIRA I had full integration and even auto linking of commits to issues. You give a repo url and the rest is easy. - I recall (can't test this) that moving a card is not logged. I think that's pretty basic functionality and it helps in asynchronous communication. - card urls are not stable over different boards. - moving cards over columns. - Yes, but I cannot nest cards. Simple divide and conquer strategy will scatter takes over many cards. To-do lists are not sufficient. - seems like a nasty ui decision, dragging with scrolling. - No, in the description. But the pre has no word wrap and the pop-up only takes a quarter of the width of my screen (without browser plugin) - large smilies on cards for example, or whatever these things are. - I'm absolutely sure I saw advertisement in a card. Maybe it was caused by a browser plugin? I've used many task management systems. I understand the appeal of Trello. For me, it is just not sophisticated enough and misses essentials.
  - thedufer 10y ago
    > Not when you move them from board to board That's not true. Did you try it? > I recall (can't test this) that moving a card is not logged. Moves between boards and lists are logged. Moves up and down a list are logged, but not shown in the UI (only visible via the api). All moves were shown at one point, but it was just way too noisy. > card urls are not stable over different boards. That's still not true. > moving cards over columns. The card moves physically each time and each move appears in the log. > I'm absolutely sure I saw advertisement in a card. Trello suggests turning on a power-up if it looks like it would help (like github power-up if you attach a github link). "Advertisement" seems like a strong word here?
    - edejong 10y ago
      Well, things change, also at Trello. This does not seem to be a thing anymore, but was when we were setting up our workflow (https://trello.com/c/sSldoiVf/46-deprecated-mentioning-cards-by-number-e-g-46-creates-hyperlinks https://trello.com/c/sSldoiVf/46-deprecated-mentioning-cards...). Actually, it seems changes in descriptions are not logged. Even though I normally would not want to see this, it sometimes comes in handy. Just a simple line: "Edited: John Doe, 2017-02-22". Well, suggesting to turn on power-ups on each and every card, styled in a way as if it is part of the card. W.r.t. moving cards over column: if I move a card from A to B and the move is not synchronised (because of lag or a Trello Server outage), a co-worker might move the card as well (say, from to-do to in-progress). Once the situation stabilises, there is (or was, the last time I noticed this issue) no visual feedback of this situation. It's a minor annoyance, but I've noticed that the 'eventually consistent' UI makes it possible that inconsistent states are reached.
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dasmoth 10y ago
The complexity of over engineering processes shows up in a year in both JIRA and Trello. But in Trello you can't blame the program. Not a Trello user, but sounds like a huge positive to me. If you can't blame the software, there might be some chance of pushing back against the process-advocates.

by edejong 10y ago

tghw 10y ago

- What are you missing that browser plugins add? - Cards do have stable URLs. Not sure why you think they don't. - A Github url to a commit will link to that URL. Powerups can be used if you want tighter integration. - Very few people actually need this. If you do, then you need a fully auditable system. - Copy paste the card URL. Again, card URLs are stable and Trello will detect that it's a card URL. - There are fairly extensive keyboard shortcuts: https://trello.com/shortcuts https://trello.com/shortcuts - Such as? - Boards -> Lists -> Cards -> Description/Comments/Check Lists/Polls/etc. At least 4 levels. - Is this a prediction?? - Sounds like a Firefox problem. - Are you putting logs in the titles of the cards? - Such as? - Haven't ever seen an ad in a card. It sounds like you set out with the intention of not liking it and found (or made up?) reasons.

edejong 10y ago
- names of tags on cards, card id's for referencing from git commits, smarter use of screen estate. Everyone I work with uses at least a couple of plugins. - Not when you move them from board to board - But that's not linking a commit, that's linking to github. In JIRA I had full integration and even auto linking of commits to issues. You give a repo url and the rest is easy. - I recall (can't test this) that moving a card is not logged. I think that's pretty basic functionality and it helps in asynchronous communication. - card urls are not stable over different boards. - moving cards over columns. - Yes, but I cannot nest cards. Simple divide and conquer strategy will scatter takes over many cards. To-do lists are not sufficient. - seems like a nasty ui decision, dragging with scrolling. - No, in the description. But the pre has no word wrap and the pop-up only takes a quarter of the width of my screen (without browser plugin) - large smilies on cards for example, or whatever these things are. - I'm absolutely sure I saw advertisement in a card. Maybe it was caused by a browser plugin? I've used many task management systems. I understand the appeal of Trello. For me, it is just not sophisticated enough and misses essentials.
- thedufer 10y ago
  > Not when you move them from board to board That's not true. Did you try it? > I recall (can't test this) that moving a card is not logged. Moves between boards and lists are logged. Moves up and down a list are logged, but not shown in the UI (only visible via the api). All moves were shown at one point, but it was just way too noisy. > card urls are not stable over different boards. That's still not true. > moving cards over columns. The card moves physically each time and each move appears in the log. > I'm absolutely sure I saw advertisement in a card. Trello suggests turning on a power-up if it looks like it would help (like github power-up if you attach a github link). "Advertisement" seems like a strong word here?
  - edejong 10y ago
    Well, things change, also at Trello. This does not seem to be a thing anymore, but was when we were setting up our workflow (https://trello.com/c/sSldoiVf/46-deprecated-mentioning-cards-by-number-e-g-46-creates-hyperlinks https://trello.com/c/sSldoiVf/46-deprecated-mentioning-cards...). Actually, it seems changes in descriptions are not logged. Even though I normally would not want to see this, it sometimes comes in handy. Just a simple line: "Edited: John Doe, 2017-02-22". Well, suggesting to turn on power-ups on each and every card, styled in a way as if it is part of the card. W.r.t. moving cards over column: if I move a card from A to B and the move is not synchronised (because of lag or a Trello Server outage), a co-worker might move the card as well (say, from to-do to in-progress). Once the situation stabilises, there is (or was, the last time I noticed this issue) no visual feedback of this situation. It's a minor annoyance, but I've noticed that the 'eventually consistent' UI makes it possible that inconsistent states are reached.
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dasmoth 10y ago

The complexity of over engineering processes shows up in a year in both JIRA and Trello. But in Trello you can't blame the program. Not a Trello user, but sounds like a huge positive to me. If you can't blame the software, there might be some chance of pushing back against the process-advocates.