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You're completely right! Those are all amazing resources. I would posit that using textbooks, syllabi, recorded lectures from the best schools and greatest pro

by Kalium 10y ago

You're completely right! Those are all amazing resources. I would posit that using textbooks, syllabi, recorded lectures from the best schools and greatest professors, and documentation is still a form of self-direction. The learner is left entirely to their own direction, discipline, and environment. Perhaps the only thing that's changed in that list of wonderful resources since the 1960s is MOOCs. I thought of and considered these resources when writing my previous comment. Perhaps I would have been best-advised to use a turn of phrase such as "self-directed with use of readily available non-instructor instructional resources". I thought such a phrase excessively clunky and unnecessary to make the point, but perhaps I was wrong.

ooqr 10y ago
Well now we're opening up a can of worms. Are not those with instructors also partially self-taught?
- Kalium 10y ago
  By that logic, everyone is self-taught. So perhaps that line of reasoning proves too much, rendering it potentially suspect.
arielcamus 10y ago
> The learner is left entirely to their own direction, discipline, and environment. I think this is one of the main problems of self-directled learning and why, in average, is not nearly as effective for most people unless they are incredibly motivated. I just started playing with the idea that online collaborative learning can considerably reduce that pain and I just wrote and launched a little experiment to test it: https://medium.com/@arielcamus/learn-to-build-a-backend-with-node-js-doing-pair-programming-b6d5a241b846#.utueveijh https://medium.com/@arielcamus/learn-to-build-a-backend-with...
- Kalium 10y ago
  It's a great idea! I would consider being careful with peer instruction, however. In software it runs the considerable risk of encouraging and inculcating bad practices, which is something an instructor is often used to mitigate in classroom-style environments.

by Kalium 10y ago

ooqr 10y ago

Well now we're opening up a can of worms. Are not those with instructors also partially self-taught?

Kalium 10y ago
By that logic, everyone is self-taught. So perhaps that line of reasoning proves too much, rendering it potentially suspect.

arielcamus 10y ago

> The learner is left entirely to their own direction, discipline, and environment. I think this is one of the main problems of self-directled learning and why, in average, is not nearly as effective for most people unless they are incredibly motivated. I just started playing with the idea that online collaborative learning can considerably reduce that pain and I just wrote and launched a little experiment to test it: https://medium.com/@arielcamus/learn-to-build-a-backend-with-node-js-doing-pair-programming-b6d5a241b846#.utueveijh https://medium.com/@arielcamus/learn-to-build-a-backend-with...

Kalium 10y ago
It's a great idea! I would consider being careful with peer instruction, however. In software it runs the considerable risk of encouraging and inculcating bad practices, which is something an instructor is often used to mitigate in classroom-style environments.