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People alone with their negative thoughts do real damage to themselves and others. Therapy is the only and/or and appropriate resource for many of those people.

by rrggrr 10y ago

People alone with their negative thoughts do real damage to themselves and others. Therapy is the only and/or and appropriate resource for many of those people. Negative attributes from therapy? Without a doubt it says more about the modalities, and even the therapists than the patients.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
Not to mention, from my own perspective as a therapy goer, a lot of personal and mental problems stem from a certain lack of social skills or immaturity, as well as working through trauma or biological mental illness (I have all three). Yes, you might come back from therapy a lot more assertive and "mean" than you were before, but its important to note you were maddeningly depressive and a zombie-like 'yes man/woman' before. This reminds me a bit of the movie Awakenings, where one of the patients who came out of his coma was upsetting his mother. His mother was so used to him being this passive and lovable manchild that she couldn't handle him when he became assertive, spoke back to her, and wanted to spend time with young ladies and not with his mother. She never saw him go through a proper teenage rebellion stage and he wanted to live life immediately and really had no time for mother anymore because he just wanted to pursue his crush. To his mother, the therapy was a failure because she was no longer happy with him. I also think there's an element of becoming jaded as one gets older, generally. The more experience you have with people, life, etc the more you realize we really are not good creatures and a lot of the wonderful optimism we've been taught be in a spiritual, social, or familial environment are often wrong, if not entirely false and people are just simply predictable animals fighting for resources. Therapy and other methods of self-discovery often lead to these self-discoveries and can really lead to a certain level of 'depressive realism.' I read somewhere the happiest people are the ultra-religious and cult members. Everything is explained and everything is simple to them as a singular and unquestionable authority gives them all the answers. Therapy in the western tradition is pretty much the opposite of that. I guess you have to ask yourself if you want to be delusional and happy or realistic and perhaps have a good chance at being content with life and with occasional happiness and accepting of negative situations when they come. I suspect most people's idea of a mentally healthy person don't fit in with what its actually like to be mentally healthy. Its not all smiles and laughter. Its also toughness and resiliency and the ability to say 'no' to you. If your friend came back from therapy like this, you'd think it was a failure, but I suspect he feels much more validated in life and much more autonomous.
civilian 10y ago
You're giving an emotional argument against a group of statisticians. You might be right, but in the long run you're gonna have a bad time. What if your "common sense" is wrong? What if it has been doing harm? You should embrace the statistical rigor going into therapy. And also, "appropriate resource" is something that society can and should change. We ought to be able to hit any depressed person with a shot of ketamine, but it's still restricted and has the negative label of being a "Drug" and a "horse tranquilizer", despite it's effective history of use in serious surgery and it's current use in combat medicine in Afghanistan.

by rrggrr 10y ago

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

Not to mention, from my own perspective as a therapy goer, a lot of personal and mental problems stem from a certain lack of social skills or immaturity, as well as working through trauma or biological mental illness (I have all three). Yes, you might come back from therapy a lot more assertive and "mean" than you were before, but its important to note you were maddeningly depressive and a zombie-like 'yes man/woman' before. This reminds me a bit of the movie Awakenings, where one of the patients who came out of his coma was upsetting his mother. His mother was so used to him being this passive and lovable manchild that she couldn't handle him when he became assertive, spoke back to her, and wanted to spend time with young ladies and not with his mother. She never saw him go through a proper teenage rebellion stage and he wanted to live life immediately and really had no time for mother anymore because he just wanted to pursue his crush. To his mother, the therapy was a failure because she was no longer happy with him. I also think there's an element of becoming jaded as one gets older, generally. The more experience you have with people, life, etc the more you realize we really are not good creatures and a lot of the wonderful optimism we've been taught be in a spiritual, social, or familial environment are often wrong, if not entirely false and people are just simply predictable animals fighting for resources. Therapy and other methods of self-discovery often lead to these self-discoveries and can really lead to a certain level of 'depressive realism.' I read somewhere the happiest people are the ultra-religious and cult members. Everything is explained and everything is simple to them as a singular and unquestionable authority gives them all the answers. Therapy in the western tradition is pretty much the opposite of that. I guess you have to ask yourself if you want to be delusional and happy or realistic and perhaps have a good chance at being content with life and with occasional happiness and accepting of negative situations when they come. I suspect most people's idea of a mentally healthy person don't fit in with what its actually like to be mentally healthy. Its not all smiles and laughter. Its also toughness and resiliency and the ability to say 'no' to you. If your friend came back from therapy like this, you'd think it was a failure, but I suspect he feels much more validated in life and much more autonomous.

civilian 10y ago

You're giving an emotional argument against a group of statisticians. You might be right, but in the long run you're gonna have a bad time. What if your "common sense" is wrong? What if it has been doing harm? You should embrace the statistical rigor going into therapy. And also, "appropriate resource" is something that society can and should change. We ought to be able to hit any depressed person with a shot of ketamine, but it's still restricted and has the negative label of being a "Drug" and a "horse tranquilizer", despite it's effective history of use in serious surgery and it's current use in combat medicine in Afghanistan.