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If someone on the right (or even right-center) would say something along the lines of "I agree gender equity in the US is a problem, and we need to think hard a

by j2kun 10y ago

If someone on the right (or even right-center) would say something along the lines of "I agree gender equity in the US is a problem, and we need to think hard about how to solve it, but I don't think allowing abortions would help and here's the data that convinces me," I would listen. Instead, they say things like (1) gender imbalance is not a problem or (2) the effects that you're attributing to gender imbalance are actually because of innate biological differences that make men better than women (with nothing to back that claim up except the status quo) or (3) an appeal to family values which is a quaint way to say the man should be in charge. With that being the standard, how can I _not_ think they are being sexist? Seriously, tell me what signals I should use to counteract these official policies, and conclude that in fact the people speaking them are not sexist? (the case is much the same for other injustices I see all around me)

idiot_stick 10y ago
>If someone on the right (or even right-center) would say something along the lines of "I agree gender equity in the US is a problem, and we need to think hard about how to solve it, but I don't think allowing abortions would help and here's the data that convinces me," I would listen. Maybe you should try doing the work to convince them, rather than assuming your position is "correct" and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Or, you can choose to "not listen". >With that being the standard, how can I _not_ think they are being sexist? Who is they?
judah 10y ago
I'm on the right, and I can answer your question. The problem is that you're defining terms wrong. To you, "If someone disagrees with my ideas on gender equality, they are sexist." It's like me saying, "If anyone disagrees with me about abortion, they're child murderers." See the problem? Not everyone who disagrees with you needs an ugly label. I'd be glad to talk to you about why we conservatives rationally oppose radical theocratic Islam. But not if you're just going to demonize me with an "islamophobe" label, I'll just avoid you and vote for people who institute conservative policies.
- j2kun 10y ago
  Actually, you misread my comment: if someone disagrees with my ideas on gender inequality, I will only take them seriously if their reasons include evidence and logical reasoning. It doesn't take much, either. I've heard people tell me they oppose radical Islam and want to kick all muslims out of their city. Their reasoning: Sharia law has already taken over many cities in the US, and if Muslims are allowed in their city, they will take over their government. Is this your reasoning?

by j2kun 10y ago

idiot_stick 10y ago

>If someone on the right (or even right-center) would say something along the lines of "I agree gender equity in the US is a problem, and we need to think hard about how to solve it, but I don't think allowing abortions would help and here's the data that convinces me," I would listen. Maybe you should try doing the work to convince them, rather than assuming your position is "correct" and everyone who disagrees is wrong. Or, you can choose to "not listen". >With that being the standard, how can I _not_ think they are being sexist? Who is they?

judah 10y ago

I'm on the right, and I can answer your question. The problem is that you're defining terms wrong. To you, "If someone disagrees with my ideas on gender equality, they are sexist." It's like me saying, "If anyone disagrees with me about abortion, they're child murderers." See the problem? Not everyone who disagrees with you needs an ugly label. I'd be glad to talk to you about why we conservatives rationally oppose radical theocratic Islam. But not if you're just going to demonize me with an "islamophobe" label, I'll just avoid you and vote for people who institute conservative policies.

j2kun 10y ago
Actually, you misread my comment: if someone disagrees with my ideas on gender inequality, I will only take them seriously if their reasons include evidence and logical reasoning. It doesn't take much, either. I've heard people tell me they oppose radical Islam and want to kick all muslims out of their city. Their reasoning: Sharia law has already taken over many cities in the US, and if Muslims are allowed in their city, they will take over their government. Is this your reasoning?