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Thanks for the reply. I imagine that being part of the majority demographic in Utah makes daily life more comfortable than it was in San Francisco, no? (Not mak

Thanks for the reply. I imagine that being part of the majority demographic in Utah makes daily life more comfortable than it was in San Francisco, no? (Not making excuses for other people's poor behavior anywhere.)

austenallred 10y ago
I honestly don't think much about demographics either place. Maybe that's because I'm the majority (I think) in both places; I don't know. It doesn't enter my calculus. San Francisco is generally more accepting of almost everything, and I love that, but when it comes to political ideology I ironically find it intense, unaccepting and extreme. It feels like anything goes in SF, so long as you're not on the right politically. (I don't even consider myself super duper on the right, just not allll the way on the left)
- meat_fist 10y ago
  My point was simply to illustrate that "I'd feel more comfortable talking about my views in the Deep Red" is a statement only a White (probably) Male would say.
  - austenallred 10y ago
    Perhaps, but I honestly don't believe that's true. It feels like politics has become something beyond politics in San Francisco. It's not "people have different ways of viewing things, and boy do I think you're wrong," it's "if you think that _____ or voted for _____ you are my enemy."
    - meat_fist 10y ago
      I think you'd be surprised at how non-white males are treated in the Deep Red, is again my point.
      - austenallred 10y ago
        Are you speaking from experience?
        muzz 10y ago
        I'm non-white and lived in a red state and experienced some serious racism.
        kpennell 10y ago
        Good thread here
        mozumder 10y ago
        I can confirm. Growing up in the south, as a non-white, it's not if you've been mistreated, but how many times PER DAY. Your identity is that of an outsider. You're not part of the white culture. It's so common that it just becomes the usual part of life, and you deal with it from there. You are definitely lacking any idea of the experience of other races. Mormons, they go around house-to-house trying to convert people. Try doing the same thing as a Muslim, with a long beard, in the deep south, and then let me know if you still think you'd be more comfortable expressing your views in the deep south. =^D
        austenallred 10y ago
        I've only been in the south a handful of times, and it definitely seems much more racially charged. Utah was so insular that we never even talked about race, even when there were minorities around.
        mozumder 10y ago
        Do you think the minorities talked about race and their experience with racism in Utah?
        selimthegrim 10y ago
    - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
      >Perhaps, but I honestly don't believe that's true. I'm a white Jewish-atheist male with... certain political views, and I honestly expect that if I open my mouth in the Deep Red zones it will lead to violence. >It's not "people have different ways of viewing things, and boy do I think you're wrong," it's "if you think that _____ or voted for _____ you are my enemy." Well, fascism is not just another way of looking at things. It's a way of killing people. Fascists are the enemy of every sane, decent human being on this planet. Now, folks at work or in government may or may not be fascists, but if someone brings up the concern that they are, the right thing to do is to contest the factual question. You really shouldn't just dismiss it by saying, "Whether or not so-and-so is a fascist, it's only fair to tolerate fascism!" No, what's fair is "never again". Totalitarianism in general and fascism in specific are the worst ideas in the world.

austenallred 10y ago

I honestly don't think much about demographics either place. Maybe that's because I'm the majority (I think) in both places; I don't know. It doesn't enter my calculus. San Francisco is generally more accepting of almost everything, and I love that, but when it comes to political ideology I ironically find it intense, unaccepting and extreme. It feels like anything goes in SF, so long as you're not on the right politically. (I don't even consider myself super duper on the right, just not allll the way on the left)

meat_fist 10y ago
My point was simply to illustrate that "I'd feel more comfortable talking about my views in the Deep Red" is a statement only a White (probably) Male would say.
- austenallred 10y ago
  Perhaps, but I honestly don't believe that's true. It feels like politics has become something beyond politics in San Francisco. It's not "people have different ways of viewing things, and boy do I think you're wrong," it's "if you think that _____ or voted for _____ you are my enemy."
  - meat_fist 10y ago
    I think you'd be surprised at how non-white males are treated in the Deep Red, is again my point.
    - austenallred 10y ago
      Are you speaking from experience?
      - muzz 10y ago
        I'm non-white and lived in a red state and experienced some serious racism.
        kpennell 10y ago
        Good thread here
      - mozumder 10y ago
        I can confirm. Growing up in the south, as a non-white, it's not if you've been mistreated, but how many times PER DAY. Your identity is that of an outsider. You're not part of the white culture. It's so common that it just becomes the usual part of life, and you deal with it from there. You are definitely lacking any idea of the experience of other races. Mormons, they go around house-to-house trying to convert people. Try doing the same thing as a Muslim, with a long beard, in the deep south, and then let me know if you still think you'd be more comfortable expressing your views in the deep south. =^D
        austenallred 10y ago
        I've only been in the south a handful of times, and it definitely seems much more racially charged. Utah was so insular that we never even talked about race, even when there were minorities around.
        mozumder 10y ago
        Do you think the minorities talked about race and their experience with racism in Utah?
        selimthegrim 10y ago
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    >Perhaps, but I honestly don't believe that's true. I'm a white Jewish-atheist male with... certain political views, and I honestly expect that if I open my mouth in the Deep Red zones it will lead to violence. >It's not "people have different ways of viewing things, and boy do I think you're wrong," it's "if you think that _____ or voted for _____ you are my enemy." Well, fascism is not just another way of looking at things. It's a way of killing people. Fascists are the enemy of every sane, decent human being on this planet. Now, folks at work or in government may or may not be fascists, but if someone brings up the concern that they are, the right thing to do is to contest the factual question. You really shouldn't just dismiss it by saying, "Whether or not so-and-so is a fascist, it's only fair to tolerate fascism!" No, what's fair is "never again". Totalitarianism in general and fascism in specific are the worst ideas in the world.