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It wasn't always like this. Silicon Valley was a lot more diverse/tolerant in the first dotcom boom and until ~2006 or so than since. It really went off the dee
by rdl 10y ago
It wasn't always like this. Silicon Valley was a lot more diverse/tolerant in the first dotcom boom and until ~2006 or so than since. It really went off the deep end circa the Brendan Eich incident (2014), and then the most recent Presidential election cycle. The "Ex-communicate Peter Thiel" movement was the point of no return, and when I decided to flee permanently.
It doesn't seem to be as bad even in other equally-liberal tech areas outside SV.
- hkmurakami 10y agoBoth the Eich and Thiel situations were downright appalling in how they mirrored the exact kind of Witch hunt and ostracizing that liberalism historically and morally should be against. The fact that people didn't seem to grasp the hypocrisy and danger of their actions made it even more chilling.
- austenallred 10y agoThat people openly suggested firing anyone who voted for Trump was pretty shocking to me (despite the fact that I didn't vote for him)
- sgift 10y agoThis is one of the first things I've noticed when looking at political discussions. People (correctly) note the abuse of powers in others, but the moment they get power themselves they see no problem with (ab)using it to attack those who did it before. And then the power relations change again and it starts anew.
- hkmurakami 10y agoDefinitely. The tactics used to shame Trump supporters, evangelicals, and the like are the exact same as the ones used to shame and invalidate people of color, women's rights, etc. In the past. It's disheartening, really.
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- intended 10y agoIt's natural. Maybe people haven't seen it in America before, but this happens all the time. Radicalism begets radical responses over enough of a time line. People in this thread keep feeling disheartened or calling out liberals enclaves - but they completely forget that this is only 3 weeks into Trumps presidency. As a candidate he was frightening to liberals, in a way no American presidential candidate has been in a long time. And now he is president. He scares and disturbs people around the world. I can't imagine how liberal groups feel. On top of that he won and is supported by people who argue that hate speech is free speech.
- AnimalMuppet 10y agoI don't care how liberal groups feel. I care how they act. And how they are acting is contrary to both liberalism and liberty. (Conservatives are not acting conservatively, either...)
- intended 10y agoIf you don't quite care about how people feel, you lose the position to judge how they act. Human actions ultimately find their motivation in emotions, not in rationality. Besides- that's a belief unmoored from reality. There's a fight going on, and one side has been using techniques to dismantle every institution and source of strength of the other. Youll have reached the point that even facts itself are under question. The period of following ideals died a while back. Either liberals learn from the political play book of the conservatives, or they disappear.
- Mithaldu 10y agoThe frightening part about your post is that you might not even be trolling.
- sgift 10y ago
- croon 10y agoI'm more inclined to suggest that liberals are getting tired of being the diplomatic party and reaching across the isle [1] [2], and are starting to play the same game. I'm not saying tit for tat is constructive, but going by this election cycle, dirty seems to be what's working. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-polarization-is-asymmetric-and-conservatives-are-worse/373044/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol... [2] https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/06/no_name-1/38e2d0919.jpg https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/06/n...
- FussyZeus 10y agoI'm inclined to agree. The Republican party the last few cycles has just become the party of NO, no to this policy, no to that law, undo, remove, etc. etc. They don't seem to have any ideas to show except to destroy everything the Democrats do, good and bad. Trump was the last straw for me. I voted McCain and Romney but Trump was just too far into the deep end (that and Mitch McConnell has been one of the most obstructionist politicians in American history).
- eli_gottlieb 10y agoTit for tat isn't particularly constructive, but it's sure as hell the rational strategy in an iterated Prisoner's Dilemma.
- lawnchair_larry 10y agoThere is no hypocrisy or intolerance in fighting intolerance. You're trying to make the argument that one is not tolerant unless they tolerate intolerance, which doesn't make any sense. Eich used his capital to deny rights to our friends. They did nothing to his rights.
- tdkl 10y agoIt's the PC/SJW lunacy and its ideas becoming mainstream.