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>Yes, this was in the feedback: >“I’d love to see one-tenth of the outrage about the state of our lives out here that you have for Muslims from another country.

>Yes, this was in the feedback: >“I’d love to see one-tenth of the outrage about the state of our lives out here that you have for Muslims from another country. You have no idea what our lives are like.” The Democrats had a debate in Flint about the water crisis where they discussed what to do about it and how the country's infrastructure got there. Meanwhile Donald's fans were screaming "TEN FEET HIGHER!" If GOPers put one-tenth of the outrage about being proactive about the state of their own local economies as they do finding "liberal" scapegoats to blame for their lives being shitty their lives wouldn't have gotten so shitty. I know what their lives are like, but it's hard to keep giving a shit when they keep voting to tell me I'm not a "real" American because I care about gay and minority friends as much as I do about them. AS MUCH. Because they're not special just for being White. Democrats and the left have been bemoaning the decline of the rust belt my entire adult life. The only thing that made their proposals non-starters was the paranoid delusion that there was a secret welfare state for the Blacks holding them down.

drewrv 10y ago
There's a lot of talk about how important it is to listen to Trump supporters, and all it does when I listen to them is terrify me. When I listen to them, I hear people who blame others for their situation, mostly liberals and foreigners. I also hear people who refuse to believe most sources of news and almost all academics. The combination of these things is scary. The fact that they have disproportionate political power and stockpile weaponry is even scarier.
- rfrank 10y ago
  It's ok, you can find security in your clear sense of smug superiority over them.
chubot 10y ago
Thanks for your viewpoint. I agree there is something odd here. One lesson from this election is how big an influence the media has on politics, and I see this as a huge problem. Honestly it is beyond me why health care reform was so controversial. It seems that Obamacare is flawed, but would be less so if there wasn't so much resistance to it. I don't think it should be a partisan issue but somehow it turned out to be. I would love to see a level headed analysis of what happened.
- naravara 10y ago
  >One lesson from this election is how big an influence the media has on politics, and I see this as a huge problem. Oh that's been a lesson for a while. I'm old enough to dimly remember the run-up to the first Gulf War and the level of discourse was generally much more thoughtful. You had your partisan hacks like Bob Novak and other Heritage Foundation tools, but they were embedded within a media-world that still took itself somewhat seriously and had resigned itself to being staid and boring. At one point I remember someone quoted Thucydides and discussed various ideas about Just War theory from Aristotle to Michael Walzer and applied it to the present situation. And this was on a major news network! People make a big deal about "fake news on the internet" but the truth is, the reason the fake news had impact is because the "real news' long ago gave up any claims to credibility to be calling out the fake news. They've been acting as platforms for partisan hacks like Sean Hannity and Bob Novak for too long for anyone to put trust in them.

drewrv 10y ago

There's a lot of talk about how important it is to listen to Trump supporters, and all it does when I listen to them is terrify me. When I listen to them, I hear people who blame others for their situation, mostly liberals and foreigners. I also hear people who refuse to believe most sources of news and almost all academics. The combination of these things is scary. The fact that they have disproportionate political power and stockpile weaponry is even scarier.

rfrank 10y ago
It's ok, you can find security in your clear sense of smug superiority over them.

chubot 10y ago

Thanks for your viewpoint. I agree there is something odd here. One lesson from this election is how big an influence the media has on politics, and I see this as a huge problem. Honestly it is beyond me why health care reform was so controversial. It seems that Obamacare is flawed, but would be less so if there wasn't so much resistance to it. I don't think it should be a partisan issue but somehow it turned out to be. I would love to see a level headed analysis of what happened.

naravara 10y ago
>One lesson from this election is how big an influence the media has on politics, and I see this as a huge problem. Oh that's been a lesson for a while. I'm old enough to dimly remember the run-up to the first Gulf War and the level of discourse was generally much more thoughtful. You had your partisan hacks like Bob Novak and other Heritage Foundation tools, but they were embedded within a media-world that still took itself somewhat seriously and had resigned itself to being staid and boring. At one point I remember someone quoted Thucydides and discussed various ideas about Just War theory from Aristotle to Michael Walzer and applied it to the present situation. And this was on a major news network! People make a big deal about "fake news on the internet" but the truth is, the reason the fake news had impact is because the "real news' long ago gave up any claims to credibility to be calling out the fake news. They've been acting as platforms for partisan hacks like Sean Hannity and Bob Novak for too long for anyone to put trust in them.