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Do you know what "watch this space" means? ;) Enterprise apps are moving to the cloud; you need to think about the future not the past. Legacy JDBC drivers to c
by nbevans 10y ago
Do you know what "watch this space" means? ;) Enterprise apps are moving to the cloud; you need to think about the future not the past. Legacy JDBC drivers to connect to legacy RDBMS? Please! :)
- lmickh 10y agoCurious to hear about these .Net Enterprise devs that are not using RDBMS. It is still very much the status quo even with services like Azure DocumentDB around. When you get a list of solid points about why Java won't be displaced and the response is watch this space, it reminds me of the folks saying "this is the year of the Linux desktop" without pointing to actual improvements coming to life. The "new" .Net CLR really only has a compelling story if you are already a .Net shop. Nothing in the new Core and Standard implementations gives you something new if you are outside of it.
- nbevans 10y agoThere are non-legacy non-mainframey modern RDBMS you know! Hopefully I don't need to point out the very well publicised and ongoing efforts to revamp the .NET CLR and peripheral items to run on non-Windows systems.
- pjmlp 10y agoOracle and SQL Server ADO.NET drivers still don't work on .NET Core.
- nbevans 10y agohttps://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/11/09/net-core-data-access/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/11/09/net-core-... ?
- pjmlp 10y agoI don't see ODP.NET on that list. As for SQL Server, it is better than last time I checked. Do you have data about production loads on GNU/Linux?
- lmickh 10y agoI see. You are just commenting on the mainframe portion of the prior response. The efforts to revamp .Net CLR to run on non-Windows systems is of little value to shops that are not already running .Net CLR. At best it is removing a negative for running .Net CLR. There is no net gain for a Rails or JVM shop for example. The gain is only for shops that already paying the Windows tax to get .Net.
- pjmlp 10y agoI don't think, I anwser RFP about what customers are willing to use and pay for. Regarding .NET, that is only for 100% Windows stacks, even if they run across VMs on Amazon or Azure instalations. I am yet to see a single RFP asking for .NET deployments on GNU/Linux.
- nbevans 10y agoAgain, watch this space...
- pjmlp 10y agoI love being able to use .NET Core on my GNU/Linux netbook, and I prefer .NET projects to Java ones, I just don't believe Fortune 500 customer will suddenly change to it. They don't have any reason to switch to GNU/Linux VM instances instead of Windows ones, the infrastructure costs are a tiny portion of the overall project costs.
- nbevans 10y agoThe only thing that could cause such a "ditch and switch" would be Oracle screwing up - which let's face it is quite possible with the way things are going for them. But in any case, I never alluded to that. I simply said enterprise apps that might traditionally have been "built" with JVM will in the future be built on .NET CLR. I stand by it. The JVM is ancient and it seems they are scared to improve it because nobody at Oracle dares touch it these days. Just look at their attempt at lambdas (aka. delegates in .NET as I'm sure you know). And it still doesn't have value types. Anyway, this is highly tangential now.
- untog 10y ago2017: the year of the Linux desktop!