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William F. Buckley's idea of what constitutes liberal leaning is hardly any kind of gold standard. Bear in mind that no real left wing policies or media platfor

William F. Buckley's idea of what constitutes liberal leaning is hardly any kind of gold standard. Bear in mind that no real left wing policies or media platforms exist in the US, it's right vs. far right. The Economist is considered a left-wing organ here.

judah 10y ago
>> "Bear in mind that no real left wing policies or media platforms exist in the US" Newspapers in the US are overwhelmingly and verifiably leftist[0]. Out of the 46 major newspapers in the US, 41 of them endorsed Hillary Clinton for President, several endorsed Gary Johnson, and only 1 endorsed Donald Trump. [1] [0]: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-leads-trump-and-obama-and-reagan-in-the-newspaper-endorsement-race/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-leads-trump-and... [1]: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/clinton-trump-newspaper-endorsements http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/clinton-trump-ne...
- dmix 10y ago
  Clearly, he meant no true scotsman leftist policies or platforms exists :p Even then I'm not sure that argument could be made.
  - Tloewald 10y ago
    Mother Jones is nowhere near is leftist as Fox News is rightist.
    - dmix 10y ago
      Who is comparing Mother Jones to Fox News? At most you should be comparing MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC vs Fox News, or Mother Jones/The Nation vs National Review. > the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Media_bias_in_the_United_States https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Media_bias_in_the_United_States
- Tloewald 10y ago
  "Leftist" by American standards in 2017 is, again, not leftist by world standards or even US standards in 1970-1990, except on a few social issues (e.g. Gay rights) or things that aren't even political in other countries (basic science). Bear in mind that Nixon tried to pass Obamacare and set up the EPA. Teddy Roosevelt set up the national park system.
  - judah 10y ago
    >> "Leftist" by American standards in 2017 is, again, not leftist by world standards" Yes, if your standard for leftism is Joseph Stalin's Soviet Russia. But that's like saying, "The right by American standards isn't actually on the right according to world standards, where the right wing == Benito Mussolini's Fascist Italy."

judah 10y ago

>> "Bear in mind that no real left wing policies or media platforms exist in the US" Newspapers in the US are overwhelmingly and verifiably leftist[0]. Out of the 46 major newspapers in the US, 41 of them endorsed Hillary Clinton for President, several endorsed Gary Johnson, and only 1 endorsed Donald Trump. [1] [0]: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-leads-trump-and-obama-and-reagan-in-the-newspaper-endorsement-race/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-leads-trump-and... [1]: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/clinton-trump-newspaper-endorsements http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/clinton-trump-ne...

dmix 10y ago
Clearly, he meant no true scotsman leftist policies or platforms exists :p Even then I'm not sure that argument could be made.
- Tloewald 10y ago
  Mother Jones is nowhere near is leftist as Fox News is rightist.
  - dmix 10y ago
    Who is comparing Mother Jones to Fox News? At most you should be comparing MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC vs Fox News, or Mother Jones/The Nation vs National Review. > the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Media_bias_in_the_United_States https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Media_bias_in_the_United_States
Tloewald 10y ago
"Leftist" by American standards in 2017 is, again, not leftist by world standards or even US standards in 1970-1990, except on a few social issues (e.g. Gay rights) or things that aren't even political in other countries (basic science). Bear in mind that Nixon tried to pass Obamacare and set up the EPA. Teddy Roosevelt set up the national park system.
- judah 10y ago
  >> "Leftist" by American standards in 2017 is, again, not leftist by world standards" Yes, if your standard for leftism is Joseph Stalin's Soviet Russia. But that's like saying, "The right by American standards isn't actually on the right according to world standards, where the right wing == Benito Mussolini's Fascist Italy."