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Any specific examples FB tries to censor and favor one political side over the other? I just know "Trending news" are updated by a human so there is certainly b

by yeukhon 10y ago

Any specific examples FB tries to censor and favor one political side over the other? I just know "Trending news" are updated by a human so there is certainly bias in that regard. EDIT: Why the heck the downvote?

ColanR 10y ago
People probably don't like hearing that there might be bias in the system... :/
dingo_bat 10y ago
This entire initiative to filter/incentivize certain content in response to the "fake news" issue itself means picking a side. In my view, "fake news" isn't a real thing. It's a propaganda term cooked up by left-leaning media organizations (some of which were directly colluding with the Democratic party) to discredit any news that does not fit their narrative. Facebook addressing this in any way means they have picked a side in this political issue. Now you can disagree with me on the reality of "fake news" but you cannot disagree that it is a political issue pushed mainly by left/liberal organizations and the dem party (later backfired because trump snatched it away from them), and facebook is legitimizing their argument by saying "yes, we realize that this is a thing and we will do something about it."
- yeukhon 10y ago
  I think we need to clarify what fake news is. A fake news means the news is entirely made up and/or modified to address political propaganda. First real fake news are totally made up. Those are 100% definition of a fake news: President Trump just met yeukhon is a fake news because I didn't meet him. I made it up. Then comes the propaganda type of fake news. Prime example is editing audio record and remake it so certain words are omitted. That's also fake news. I don't think we need to drag leftist / rightist belief into this topic. Fake news are concrete and they exist long before 2016 election. But with people able to access the Internet, this platform allows fake content to spread like a disease. It used to be newspaper and TV are the source of truth for many, but now people rely on social media to get their news because there is no penalty for reporting on fake ad made up fakes.
  - dingo_bat 10y ago
    > I don't think we need to drag leftist / rightist belief into this topic. Fake news are concrete and they exist long before 2016 election. Then why is everyone worrying about it only now? > It used to be newspaper and TV are the source of truth for many, but now people rely on social media to get their news because there is no penalty for reporting on fake ad made up fakes. Is there a sudden increase in such people in 2016? How many US users did fb add in 2016? https://www.statista.com/statistics/247614/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/247614/number-of-monthly... It seems like facebook added 12 million users in 2016 to their base of 219 million users (in North America). Doesn't seem to be a game-changing increase in social media usage to me. So, it looks like this is clearly a response to the left's allegation of "fake news" to certain tabloid-like websites like breitbart, in the wake of trump's win. > First real fake news are totally made up. I don't agree. Stuff like https://twitter.com/NubianAwakening/status/787730625516167168 https://twitter.com/NubianAwakening/status/78773062551616716... is also "fake news". It is reporting about certain true events, but it is mixed with misleading opinions and lies.
    - yeukhon 10y ago
      People are worrying that now because of the growth of Internet and because fake news is a new sensation. We always have fake news which you probably can agree with me? See [1]. When I said we don't need to drag it in I meant in our discussion here. But Trump's constant use of the blackslash "[y]ou're a fake news" took the issue to not only a nationwide level, but also international. It used to be that we complain about a thing or two for a week, and no one remembers. Now we see that every day on FB news feed, Twitter newsfeed, whatever. Everyone in the family is busy checking and chatting the latest embarrassment the POTUS is making. This is now Internet viral, a new Internet sensation that won't die until Trump is out of office, because he just won't stop fueling. Internet was boring back then, with a few interesting videos but now, this is a whole new level. I urge you to be be really open-minded that every day every year life is different from previous. Regarding the NubianAwakening tweet - that's exactly what I meant by the second type of fake news. It's fake because it modified or take things out of context, mix and match and tweak the truth. [1]: https://www.democracynow.org/2006/4/6/fake_tv_news_widespread_and_undisclosed https://www.democracynow.org/2006/4/6/fake_tv_news_widesprea...
Ralfp 10y ago
Not censoring but I remember how it took bringing matter to our goverment before polish Facebook went "you know, page titled pope John Paul 2 was raping little children and filled with highly offensive images may actually be shocking content and against our terms". The right took this for proof of that FB is politically leaning to left and put it together with polish FB's management being left activists. (on sidenote, I absolutely hate this left-right split. Being anti-authoritarian liberal, I'm finding myself being drilled into from both sides. Its crazy how easy internet makes it for people to radicalise and turn to groupthink.

by yeukhon 10y ago

ColanR 10y ago

People probably don't like hearing that there might be bias in the system... :/

dingo_bat 10y ago

This entire initiative to filter/incentivize certain content in response to the "fake news" issue itself means picking a side. In my view, "fake news" isn't a real thing. It's a propaganda term cooked up by left-leaning media organizations (some of which were directly colluding with the Democratic party) to discredit any news that does not fit their narrative. Facebook addressing this in any way means they have picked a side in this political issue. Now you can disagree with me on the reality of "fake news" but you cannot disagree that it is a political issue pushed mainly by left/liberal organizations and the dem party (later backfired because trump snatched it away from them), and facebook is legitimizing their argument by saying "yes, we realize that this is a thing and we will do something about it."

yeukhon 10y ago
I think we need to clarify what fake news is. A fake news means the news is entirely made up and/or modified to address political propaganda. First real fake news are totally made up. Those are 100% definition of a fake news: President Trump just met yeukhon is a fake news because I didn't meet him. I made it up. Then comes the propaganda type of fake news. Prime example is editing audio record and remake it so certain words are omitted. That's also fake news. I don't think we need to drag leftist / rightist belief into this topic. Fake news are concrete and they exist long before 2016 election. But with people able to access the Internet, this platform allows fake content to spread like a disease. It used to be newspaper and TV are the source of truth for many, but now people rely on social media to get their news because there is no penalty for reporting on fake ad made up fakes.
- dingo_bat 10y ago
  > I don't think we need to drag leftist / rightist belief into this topic. Fake news are concrete and they exist long before 2016 election. Then why is everyone worrying about it only now? > It used to be newspaper and TV are the source of truth for many, but now people rely on social media to get their news because there is no penalty for reporting on fake ad made up fakes. Is there a sudden increase in such people in 2016? How many US users did fb add in 2016? https://www.statista.com/statistics/247614/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/247614/number-of-monthly... It seems like facebook added 12 million users in 2016 to their base of 219 million users (in North America). Doesn't seem to be a game-changing increase in social media usage to me. So, it looks like this is clearly a response to the left's allegation of "fake news" to certain tabloid-like websites like breitbart, in the wake of trump's win. > First real fake news are totally made up. I don't agree. Stuff like https://twitter.com/NubianAwakening/status/787730625516167168 https://twitter.com/NubianAwakening/status/78773062551616716... is also "fake news". It is reporting about certain true events, but it is mixed with misleading opinions and lies.
  - yeukhon 10y ago
    People are worrying that now because of the growth of Internet and because fake news is a new sensation. We always have fake news which you probably can agree with me? See [1]. When I said we don't need to drag it in I meant in our discussion here. But Trump's constant use of the blackslash "[y]ou're a fake news" took the issue to not only a nationwide level, but also international. It used to be that we complain about a thing or two for a week, and no one remembers. Now we see that every day on FB news feed, Twitter newsfeed, whatever. Everyone in the family is busy checking and chatting the latest embarrassment the POTUS is making. This is now Internet viral, a new Internet sensation that won't die until Trump is out of office, because he just won't stop fueling. Internet was boring back then, with a few interesting videos but now, this is a whole new level. I urge you to be be really open-minded that every day every year life is different from previous. Regarding the NubianAwakening tweet - that's exactly what I meant by the second type of fake news. It's fake because it modified or take things out of context, mix and match and tweak the truth. [1]: https://www.democracynow.org/2006/4/6/fake_tv_news_widespread_and_undisclosed https://www.democracynow.org/2006/4/6/fake_tv_news_widesprea...

Ralfp 10y ago

Not censoring but I remember how it took bringing matter to our goverment before polish Facebook went "you know, page titled pope John Paul 2 was raping little children and filled with highly offensive images may actually be shocking content and against our terms". The right took this for proof of that FB is politically leaning to left and put it together with polish FB's management being left activists. (on sidenote, I absolutely hate this left-right split. Being anti-authoritarian liberal, I'm finding myself being drilled into from both sides. Its crazy how easy internet makes it for people to radicalise and turn to groupthink.