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Yeah, sorry, I clicked on it through your RCP link, thinking it was the same. My bad. The rest of my post though?

by croon 10y ago

leereeves 10y ago
Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. I tend to trust more often when a source publishes something that runs counter to (my perception of) its bias. Such as this article from the WaPo: > Yet he also acknowledged that the country is reaching the limits of what it can handle, and may have no choice but to tighten its policies in the face of an influx this year that is expected to bring more than 150,000 asylum seekers to a country with a population of less than 10 million. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-warm-welcome-for-refugees-a-backlash-is-brewing/2015/10/17/b5f4110c-661d-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-w...
- croon 10y ago
  It's not hard if you just skip the middle man and look at the data you want to observe. Yes, Sweden takes in (per capita) among the most refugees. [1] This has been the case when I've looked at data for at least 4-5 years. Yet violent crimes has gone down. [2] > Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. What specifically is it that you don't trust or wish you had more information about? I see nothing wrong in the article you link. It's interviewing a representative of the rise of "Sweden Democrats", which is a nationalistic party on the rise that has gotten ~20% of the electorate, in a multi party country, which is very significant. It's however not relevant to any crime statistics or unrest, but merely _perceived_ unrest, much like the alt-right movement, Brexit, and similar. A lot of Swedish statistics are mandatorily published in English, so it's not terribly difficult to get it if you try. [1] http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... [2] https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...
  - leereeves 10y ago
    > Yet violent crimes has gone down. https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist... Those stats only go up to 2014, before the refugee crisis.
    - croon 10y ago
      It's the same year as the refugee stats I posted.
      - leereeves 10y ago
        But not relevant to the effects of the massive increase in immigration in 2015 and 2016.
        croon 10y ago
        https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics.html https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-... You're right in that there is a spike in 2015, but the 2014 stats are more than twice as high as 2016. And regardless of which, it's completely relevant if we want to measure immigration as a factor on crime.
        leereeves 10y ago
        I have a hard time reconciling those numbers with what's reported in the media. Half as many applications in 2016 as in 2013? Those are only "asylum" applications...could they be processing people under other categories now?
        croon 10y ago
        Not unless you're interested in work permits. What media are you referring to? This is literally the Swedish equivalent of the USCIS. If you rather listen to your preferred outlet reporting otherwise, then bias is certainly at large.

Yeah, sorry, I clicked on it through your RCP link, thinking it was the same. My bad. The rest of my post though?

by croon 10y ago

Yeah, sorry, I clicked on it through your RCP link, thinking it was the same. My bad. The rest of my post though?

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. I tend to trust more often when a source publishes something that runs counter to (my perception of) its bias. Such as this article from the WaPo: > Yet he also acknowledged that the country is reaching the limits of what it can handle, and may have no choice but to tighten its policies in the face of an influx this year that is expected to bring more than 150,000 asylum seekers to a country with a population of less than 10 million. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-warm-welcome-for-refugees-a-backlash-is-brewing/2015/10/17/b5f4110c-661d-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-w...

croon 10y ago
It's not hard if you just skip the middle man and look at the data you want to observe. Yes, Sweden takes in (per capita) among the most refugees. [1] This has been the case when I've looked at data for at least 4-5 years. Yet violent crimes has gone down. [2] > Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. What specifically is it that you don't trust or wish you had more information about? I see nothing wrong in the article you link. It's interviewing a representative of the rise of "Sweden Democrats", which is a nationalistic party on the rise that has gotten ~20% of the electorate, in a multi party country, which is very significant. It's however not relevant to any crime statistics or unrest, but merely _perceived_ unrest, much like the alt-right movement, Brexit, and similar. A lot of Swedish statistics are mandatorily published in English, so it's not terribly difficult to get it if you try. [1] http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... [2] https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...
- leereeves 10y ago
  > Yet violent crimes has gone down. https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist... Those stats only go up to 2014, before the refugee crisis.
  - croon 10y ago
    It's the same year as the refugee stats I posted.
    - leereeves 10y ago
      But not relevant to the effects of the massive increase in immigration in 2015 and 2016.
      - croon 10y ago
        https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics.html https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-... You're right in that there is a spike in 2015, but the 2014 stats are more than twice as high as 2016. And regardless of which, it's completely relevant if we want to measure immigration as a factor on crime.
        leereeves 10y ago
        I have a hard time reconciling those numbers with what's reported in the media. Half as many applications in 2016 as in 2013? Those are only "asylum" applications...could they be processing people under other categories now?
        croon 10y ago
        Not unless you're interested in work permits. What media are you referring to? This is literally the Swedish equivalent of the USCIS. If you rather listen to your preferred outlet reporting otherwise, then bias is certainly at large.