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Output from `bash --version` on macOS: `GNU bash, version 3.2.57(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin16) Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.` that's

Output from `bash --version` on macOS: `GNU bash, version 3.2.57(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin16) Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.` that's a 10yr old bash and there's barely any shell magic that you can do on Linux that won't work on macOS. And since by far most devs use macOS, most binaries support at least the macOS version of bash. All in all, no need to worry :p

xrisk 10y ago
You can get a newer bash, so that comparison is particularly moot.
- tornadoboy55 10y ago
  My point is you don't need to, even running a shell that's 10 years old :)
throwaway2048 10y ago
its more about supported syscalls and buggy behaviour in their linux kernel emulation than specific versions of specific tools.
kupiakos 10y ago
> by far most devs use macOS I'm not sure about this - that seems too extreme of a statement. If there is any winner, it's going to be Windows. IMO, Linux and macOS will be within 5 percentage points of each other. From what I've seen at university, it's something like 60% Windows, ~20% macOS, ~20% Linux (usually Ubuntu). Much more Linux/Mac in the "hackier" courses, usually with a slight majority to Macs. Where can reliable statistics be found on this? HN isn't exactly indicative of developers in general.
- derefr 10y ago
  My impression is that most devs who write POSIX software these days use macOS (with possibly Linux running in a VM.) AFAIK, that's more to do with preferring Apple hardware, and then Linux not having 100% support for said hardware (e.g. touchpad multitouch / "force touch".) Devs who write native apps for an OS (e.g. DirectX games for Windows) will of course use that OS.
  - kupiakos 10y ago
    See, that's not really what I see in my experience. About half of my friends that hack around use macOS, another half use Linux, and then a couple use Windows. In general, I see Linux native used as often as Mac native, and Linux VMs used on Windows all the time. POSIX has little to do with it.
    - RussianCow 10y ago
      I've interviewed at a couple local companies with 50+ devs each (mostly web dev positions), and almost everyone uses a Mac. This is anecdote of course, but I very rarely see devs using Linux professionally (natively, not in a VM). That said, it depends on the kind of work; obviously, .NET developers almost exclusively use Windows, and I've noticed that sysadmins and system engineers are a little more likely to use Linux.
- tornadoboy55 10y ago
  http://eclecticist.co.uk/notes/appledesign/images/image12.jpg http://eclecticist.co.uk/notes/appledesign/images/image12.jp... That's all I need to say about that. As for the reasons.. Devs want a POSIX (macOS, Linux or BSD) system because many of the utilities used are written for that, and much of the infrastructure you will be working with in the future will also be POSIX. Of all the POSIXes, macOS is by far the most capable and stable laptop OS. Macbooks are still unrivaled, with only the Dell XPS range coming somewhat close. They are also the only company with both a solid phone and computer product, meaning you get lots of ecosystem goodies (verify iCloud logins with a push notification on your iPhone, Wi-Fi passwords entered on your MacBook instantly work on your phone, 'instant hotspot', AirPods intelligent multi-pairing, etc) And that may seem like I'm drinking the Apple kool-aid, but I'm not. The audio quality on the AirPods is terrible. In fact, Apple has never produced anything but mediocre audio gear. The $200 price bump on the MBP 2016 is unjustified. Removing the headphone jack on the iPhone is utterly insane, even if they did use USB-C (maybe in 10 years when all audio-out ports on everything everywhere also uses USB-C it would have made sense). macOS stripping out all GPL tools because they don't want to use GPLv3 stuff, etc. etc. etc.
  - beal 10y ago
    Not sure a self selected group of college aged kids really counts as an effective sample to qualify that 'by far most devs use macOS'
  - piaste 10y ago
    That's an anecdotal photo and an off-the-cuff rationale. Here's data: https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#technology-desktop-operating-system https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#tec... ~50% Windows, 26% OSX, 22% Linux, for the average "developer-who-fills-a-survey-on-stackoverflow". And I doubt anybody will argue that the masses of developers who don't frequent StackOverflow are less likely to run Windows.
  - osd 10y ago
    http://macdailynews.com/2007/10/02/lecture_hall_photo_shows_widespread_mac_use/ http://macdailynews.com/2007/10/02/lecture_hall_photo_shows_... That's apparently the school of journalism...
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finchisko 10y ago
Output from macOS Sierra: GNU bash, version 4.4.0(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin16.0.0).
- tornadoboy55 10y ago
  That's your Homebrew bash..

xrisk 10y ago

You can get a newer bash, so that comparison is particularly moot.

tornadoboy55 10y ago
My point is you don't need to, even running a shell that's 10 years old :)

throwaway2048 10y ago

its more about supported syscalls and buggy behaviour in their linux kernel emulation than specific versions of specific tools.

kupiakos 10y ago

> by far most devs use macOS I'm not sure about this - that seems too extreme of a statement. If there is any winner, it's going to be Windows. IMO, Linux and macOS will be within 5 percentage points of each other. From what I've seen at university, it's something like 60% Windows, ~20% macOS, ~20% Linux (usually Ubuntu). Much more Linux/Mac in the "hackier" courses, usually with a slight majority to Macs. Where can reliable statistics be found on this? HN isn't exactly indicative of developers in general.

derefr 10y ago
My impression is that most devs who write POSIX software these days use macOS (with possibly Linux running in a VM.) AFAIK, that's more to do with preferring Apple hardware, and then Linux not having 100% support for said hardware (e.g. touchpad multitouch / "force touch".) Devs who write native apps for an OS (e.g. DirectX games for Windows) will of course use that OS.
- kupiakos 10y ago
  See, that's not really what I see in my experience. About half of my friends that hack around use macOS, another half use Linux, and then a couple use Windows. In general, I see Linux native used as often as Mac native, and Linux VMs used on Windows all the time. POSIX has little to do with it.
  - RussianCow 10y ago
    I've interviewed at a couple local companies with 50+ devs each (mostly web dev positions), and almost everyone uses a Mac. This is anecdote of course, but I very rarely see devs using Linux professionally (natively, not in a VM). That said, it depends on the kind of work; obviously, .NET developers almost exclusively use Windows, and I've noticed that sysadmins and system engineers are a little more likely to use Linux.
tornadoboy55 10y ago
http://eclecticist.co.uk/notes/appledesign/images/image12.jpg http://eclecticist.co.uk/notes/appledesign/images/image12.jp... That's all I need to say about that. As for the reasons.. Devs want a POSIX (macOS, Linux or BSD) system because many of the utilities used are written for that, and much of the infrastructure you will be working with in the future will also be POSIX. Of all the POSIXes, macOS is by far the most capable and stable laptop OS. Macbooks are still unrivaled, with only the Dell XPS range coming somewhat close. They are also the only company with both a solid phone and computer product, meaning you get lots of ecosystem goodies (verify iCloud logins with a push notification on your iPhone, Wi-Fi passwords entered on your MacBook instantly work on your phone, 'instant hotspot', AirPods intelligent multi-pairing, etc) And that may seem like I'm drinking the Apple kool-aid, but I'm not. The audio quality on the AirPods is terrible. In fact, Apple has never produced anything but mediocre audio gear. The $200 price bump on the MBP 2016 is unjustified. Removing the headphone jack on the iPhone is utterly insane, even if they did use USB-C (maybe in 10 years when all audio-out ports on everything everywhere also uses USB-C it would have made sense). macOS stripping out all GPL tools because they don't want to use GPLv3 stuff, etc. etc. etc.
- beal 10y ago
  Not sure a self selected group of college aged kids really counts as an effective sample to qualify that 'by far most devs use macOS'
- piaste 10y ago
  That's an anecdotal photo and an off-the-cuff rationale. Here's data: https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#technology-desktop-operating-system https://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#tec... ~50% Windows, 26% OSX, 22% Linux, for the average "developer-who-fills-a-survey-on-stackoverflow". And I doubt anybody will argue that the masses of developers who don't frequent StackOverflow are less likely to run Windows.
- osd 10y ago
  http://macdailynews.com/2007/10/02/lecture_hall_photo_shows_widespread_mac_use/ http://macdailynews.com/2007/10/02/lecture_hall_photo_shows_... That's apparently the school of journalism...
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finchisko 10y ago

Output from macOS Sierra: GNU bash, version 4.4.0(1)-release (x86_64-apple-darwin16.0.0).

tornadoboy55 10y ago
That's your Homebrew bash..