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> The only 40 in my second link is from 17 days before the article. Recent? Sure, and tomorrow it might be 20, or 60. You can only use previously existing data

by croon 10y ago

> The only 40 in my second link is from 17 days before the article. Recent? Sure, and tomorrow it might be 20, or 60. You can only use previously existing data. > I don't know where 41 came from exactly but I know that at that same time, Rasmussen was reporting 53% approval. How did Politifact choose? I'm assuming the Gallup poll they link to stated 41 at the time of publication. That's the beauty of sourcing. You can always verify it. Step two is knowing if Gallup is trustworthy, that's where your RCP comes in, which puts it against other sources, most of which we recognize. Further steps would be sourcing their respective data, etc. > He said problems, not attacks. In the same breath as specifically cities with attacks in recent years. But even ignoring that, let's say he wasn't inferring attacks, then: * What problems? * What specifically about last night? "Problems" in the area he was talking about (unrest) usually means attack, so it's not an unreasonable assumption about what he meant. He of course later stated he was referring to a Fox News segment. How that makes it better is beyond me though, seeing as: * The segment was blatantly lying. [1] * He can get briefings from 11 intelligence agencies. * Sweden has crime statistics and is generally considered one of the least corrupt states in the west. [2] [1] http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured-in-fox-news-segment-filmmaker-is-a-madman/ http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured... [2] http://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016 http://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_percepti...

leereeves 10y ago
> I'm assuming the Gallup poll they link to stated 41 at the time of publication. The Gallup poll they link to isn't even about his approval. http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-worst-decade.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-w... That's the problem with assuming...
- croon 10y ago
  Yeah, sorry, I clicked on it through your RCP link, thinking it was the same. My bad. The rest of my post though?
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. I tend to trust more often when a source publishes something that runs counter to (my perception of) its bias. Such as this article from the WaPo: > Yet he also acknowledged that the country is reaching the limits of what it can handle, and may have no choice but to tighten its policies in the face of an influx this year that is expected to bring more than 150,000 asylum seekers to a country with a population of less than 10 million. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-warm-welcome-for-refugees-a-backlash-is-brewing/2015/10/17/b5f4110c-661d-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-w...
    - croon 10y ago
      It's not hard if you just skip the middle man and look at the data you want to observe. Yes, Sweden takes in (per capita) among the most refugees. [1] This has been the case when I've looked at data for at least 4-5 years. Yet violent crimes has gone down. [2] > Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. What specifically is it that you don't trust or wish you had more information about? I see nothing wrong in the article you link. It's interviewing a representative of the rise of "Sweden Democrats", which is a nationalistic party on the rise that has gotten ~20% of the electorate, in a multi party country, which is very significant. It's however not relevant to any crime statistics or unrest, but merely _perceived_ unrest, much like the alt-right movement, Brexit, and similar. A lot of Swedish statistics are mandatorily published in English, so it's not terribly difficult to get it if you try. [1] http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... [2] https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...
      - leereeves 10y ago
        > Yet violent crimes has gone down. https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist... Those stats only go up to 2014, before the refugee crisis.
- unprepare 10y ago
  ok but you are misrepresenting this completely now. >Conversely, 57 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the country’s standing in the world. That’s the highest that number has been in a decade, according to Gallup.[1] And Trump’s approval rating, of 41 percent, is lower at this point than any other president Gallup has tracked since Dwight Eisenhower. the link in the politifact article is very clearly talking about americans having an unfavorable view of the country, and not approval ratings. Why are you lying? If you look on gallup for the day of the politifact article[2], you will see that it shows % approve is 41%. as for why they would choose the gallup approval ratings over rasmussen, there are very many answers to that question. rasmussen is an online poll, which has been viewed by pollsters since forever as much less accurate than live phone surveys (since online polls can very easily be gamed brigading, they dont verify the identity of the respondent, etc.) The average from all the approval ratings is 45%[3] [1]http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-worst-decade.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-w... [2]http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-app... [3]https://imgur.com/a/MzDa4 https://imgur.com/a/MzDa4

by croon 10y ago

leereeves 10y ago

> I'm assuming the Gallup poll they link to stated 41 at the time of publication. The Gallup poll they link to isn't even about his approval. http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-worst-decade.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-w... That's the problem with assuming...

croon 10y ago
Yeah, sorry, I clicked on it through your RCP link, thinking it was the same. My bad. The rest of my post though?
- leereeves 10y ago
  Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. I tend to trust more often when a source publishes something that runs counter to (my perception of) its bias. Such as this article from the WaPo: > Yet he also acknowledged that the country is reaching the limits of what it can handle, and may have no choice but to tighten its policies in the face of an influx this year that is expected to bring more than 150,000 asylum seekers to a country with a population of less than 10 million. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-warm-welcome-for-refugees-a-backlash-is-brewing/2015/10/17/b5f4110c-661d-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/behind-swedens-w...
  - croon 10y ago
    It's not hard if you just skip the middle man and look at the data you want to observe. Yes, Sweden takes in (per capita) among the most refugees. [1] This has been the case when I've looked at data for at least 4-5 years. Yet violent crimes has gone down. [2] > Honestly, I have no idea what's going on in Sweden. I've heard so many different stories and it's hard to know who to trust when neither the media nor the government are trustworthy. What specifically is it that you don't trust or wish you had more information about? I see nothing wrong in the article you link. It's interviewing a representative of the rise of "Sweden Democrats", which is a nationalistic party on the rise that has gotten ~20% of the electorate, in a multi party country, which is very significant. It's however not relevant to any crime statistics or unrest, but merely _perceived_ unrest, much like the alt-right movement, Brexit, and similar. A lot of Swedish statistics are mandatorily published in English, so it's not terribly difficult to get it if you try. [1] http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-chart http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/09/daily-c... [2] https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist...
    - leereeves 10y ago
      > Yet violent crimes has gone down. https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics.html https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statist... Those stats only go up to 2014, before the refugee crisis.
unprepare 10y ago
ok but you are misrepresenting this completely now. >Conversely, 57 percent of Americans have an unfavorable view of the country’s standing in the world. That’s the highest that number has been in a decade, according to Gallup.[1] And Trump’s approval rating, of 41 percent, is lower at this point than any other president Gallup has tracked since Dwight Eisenhower. the link in the politifact article is very clearly talking about americans having an unfavorable view of the country, and not approval ratings. Why are you lying? If you look on gallup for the day of the politifact article[2], you will see that it shows % approve is 41%. as for why they would choose the gallup approval ratings over rasmussen, there are very many answers to that question. rasmussen is an online poll, which has been viewed by pollsters since forever as much less accurate than live phone surveys (since online polls can very easily be gamed brigading, they dont verify the identity of the respondent, etc.) The average from all the approval ratings is 45%[3] [1]http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-worst-decade.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/203834/americans-world-standing-w... [2]http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-app... [3]https://imgur.com/a/MzDa4 https://imgur.com/a/MzDa4