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Yet it happened the day after his speech[0]. A fertile ground for various conspiracies. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-e

by kbart 10y ago

Yet it happened the day after his speech[0]. A fertile ground for various conspiracies. 0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21...

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candiodari 10y ago
I don't know why this is considered conspiracy. This event is a bit like the car burning "protests" in France. Most days where it "doesn't" happen according to the press should be understood as it happening less, not so much not. People are demonstrating and torching cars pretty much every Friday, in Paris, in Nice, in Lille, in ..., and more so every once and a while for a decade now. Most recent New Year's eve: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749511/French-government-Sarkozy-hide-statistics-New-Year-s-Eve-arson-attack-increase-Le-Pen http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749511/French-government... There are constant serious incidents in Stockholm and Malmo, every Friday. There are constant serious incidents (like 10-20 cars torched minimum) in every major French city every Friday, including even Brussels on occasion, for over a decade now. There are serious incidents in Rotterdam and the poor parts of Amsterdam. I'm not sure why this is not being reported, although in the French case it is pretty clear the government is suppressing reporting. But of course, after a decade of this few people are unaware. The problem is, everybody knows, and the suppression is causing people to assume things are worse than they are (although they are far beyond what even a San Franciscan would tolerate). The issue is people can just leave their homes, drive 1km further than usual and see proof positive (torched cars being cleaned up, destroyed businesses) that the government is suppressing news. And no, it (mostly) isn't immigrants doing this, although it definitely is muslim inner city youth. The issue is simple: the governments are lying. Very, very transparently lying. For the fool's hope of turning an anti-immigrant wave back. Meanwhile, you can't actually say you feel like this in most settings. The issue with that is what happens at work. 90% or so of a consulting team working at some bank or whatever will be of the opinion that this needs to stop, and some percentage of them feels that electing Le Pen/Dewinter/Wilders/... will accomplish, maybe not a stop, but an improvement. And it absolutely can't be discussed, because that is sure to, at the very least, result in complaints to HR or management. Meanwhile 100m down the road, 15 floors down, things are slowly getting worse. Some days you can't get a sandwich without getting confronted with it. Will this get us Le Pen ? God I hope not.

by kbart 10y ago

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candiodari 10y ago

I don't know why this is considered conspiracy. This event is a bit like the car burning "protests" in France. Most days where it "doesn't" happen according to the press should be understood as it happening less, not so much not. People are demonstrating and torching cars pretty much every Friday, in Paris, in Nice, in Lille, in ..., and more so every once and a while for a decade now. Most recent New Year's eve: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749511/French-government-Sarkozy-hide-statistics-New-Year-s-Eve-arson-attack-increase-Le-Pen http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749511/French-government... There are constant serious incidents in Stockholm and Malmo, every Friday. There are constant serious incidents (like 10-20 cars torched minimum) in every major French city every Friday, including even Brussels on occasion, for over a decade now. There are serious incidents in Rotterdam and the poor parts of Amsterdam. I'm not sure why this is not being reported, although in the French case it is pretty clear the government is suppressing reporting. But of course, after a decade of this few people are unaware. The problem is, everybody knows, and the suppression is causing people to assume things are worse than they are (although they are far beyond what even a San Franciscan would tolerate). The issue is people can just leave their homes, drive 1km further than usual and see proof positive (torched cars being cleaned up, destroyed businesses) that the government is suppressing news. And no, it (mostly) isn't immigrants doing this, although it definitely is muslim inner city youth. The issue is simple: the governments are lying. Very, very transparently lying. For the fool's hope of turning an anti-immigrant wave back. Meanwhile, you can't actually say you feel like this in most settings. The issue with that is what happens at work. 90% or so of a consulting team working at some bank or whatever will be of the opinion that this needs to stop, and some percentage of them feels that electing Le Pen/Dewinter/Wilders/... will accomplish, maybe not a stop, but an improvement. And it absolutely can't be discussed, because that is sure to, at the very least, result in complaints to HR or management. Meanwhile 100m down the road, 15 floors down, things are slowly getting worse. Some days you can't get a sandwich without getting confronted with it. Will this get us Le Pen ? God I hope not.