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I don't believe that the fundamental issue can be fixed. Ironically "Touch Bar" is something you can't feel when you touch it. Real physical buttons guide your

I don't believe that the fundamental issue can be fixed. Ironically "Touch Bar" is something you can't feel when you touch it. Real physical buttons guide your finger to the correct location if you miss them slightly. "Touch" buttons don't. To fix that, one would need to rework the whole OS and applications in such way that they don't use F-keys at all, but rather something else. So, fixing Touch Bar means rethinking OS and application shortcuts. I don't think average users really use F-buttons that much, but we developers generally do.

jbverschoor 10y ago
Just wait until the force-touchbar and then the 3d-touchbar. I agree with the feedback, but I'm certain they will add this.
- RugnirViking 10y ago
  A 3d, force, touchbar sounds awfully like just a row of buttons to me ;-)
mgkimsal 10y ago
if there was even a way to just have the f-keys on all the time by default, that would have helped. Last I looked, that was not an option - you needed to hold down the fn key (or control?)
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- jrs95 10y ago
  You can actually, on a per application basis: http://m.imore.com/how-make-function-keys-default-touch-bar-display http://m.imore.com/how-make-function-keys-default-touch-bar-...
  - SomeHacker44 10y ago
    You can't, actually. This only works for some applications. None of my WINE apps, for example, can have this enabled. Apple failed.
    - 9935c101ab17a66 10y ago
      Couldn't WINE be updated to support this? Coming to the conclusion that Apple has 'failed' because function keys are not available in WINE is a bit of a leap.
  - mgkimsal 10y ago
    I don't want them on a 'per-application' basis. The older macs, you could have f-key 'default' with the other options activated by holding the FN key, or reverse it, so that the brightness/etc were default, and f-keys activated by holding down the FN key. There is no option to just have f-keys defaulted, with other touchbar stuff activated by FN key. For people who simply want standard f-keys as default all the time (like you could have in the previous macs), there is no option right now.
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jbverschoor 10y ago

Just wait until the force-touchbar and then the 3d-touchbar. I agree with the feedback, but I'm certain they will add this.

RugnirViking 10y ago
A 3d, force, touchbar sounds awfully like just a row of buttons to me ;-)

mgkimsal 10y ago

if there was even a way to just have the f-keys on all the time by default, that would have helped. Last I looked, that was not an option - you needed to hold down the fn key (or control?)

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jrs95 10y ago
You can actually, on a per application basis: http://m.imore.com/how-make-function-keys-default-touch-bar-display http://m.imore.com/how-make-function-keys-default-touch-bar-...
- SomeHacker44 10y ago
  You can't, actually. This only works for some applications. None of my WINE apps, for example, can have this enabled. Apple failed.
  - 9935c101ab17a66 10y ago
    Couldn't WINE be updated to support this? Coming to the conclusion that Apple has 'failed' because function keys are not available in WINE is a bit of a leap.
- mgkimsal 10y ago
  I don't want them on a 'per-application' basis. The older macs, you could have f-key 'default' with the other options activated by holding the FN key, or reverse it, so that the brightness/etc were default, and f-keys activated by holding down the FN key. There is no option to just have f-keys defaulted, with other touchbar stuff activated by FN key. For people who simply want standard f-keys as default all the time (like you could have in the previous macs), there is no option right now.
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