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It's hard to take people seriously when they're a US citizen but afraid to leave the country because of the travel ban. You're a US citizen... try to understan

It's hard to take people seriously when they're a US citizen but afraid to leave the country because of the travel ban. You're a US citizen... try to understand what that means and stop being acting like a victim...because you aren't one. Pretending you may not be allowed back into the country is just causing more confusion and spreading fear to people who have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you are not a US citizen and from a banned country, I'm sorry. Just like every other country on earth we have rules about entering ours. Sometimes these rules aren't favorable for you and that sucks. Earth is a big place though and the ban will not last forever.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
If you are a US citizen, you can always return to the United States, but you can be detained by CBP with no recourse. EDIT: See my below comment. It is not known how long CBP can detain you for. Also removed "indefinitely" from my above statement.
- IanDrake 10y ago
  No, not indefinitely. Stop spreading these lies.
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  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    You're right; it appears CBP can only hold you for so long, but no one knows that that limit is (nor do they have to provide a reason for detaining you). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/13/can-federal-agents-detain-citizens-at-border-checkpoints-until-they-disclose-their-smartphone-passcodes/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... "On one hand, the agents couldn’t detain Bikkannavar forever. Detaining a U.S. citizen at the border is a Fourth Amendment seizure, and that seizure can’t be unlimited. See United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976)."
    - IanDrake 10y ago
      Thanks for your revision. At the border you still have the right to a lawyer who can file a writ of habeas corpus. Then you must be charged or released.
phs318u 10y ago
The very first person mentioned in the article is quite clearly NOT a US citizen. They are however married to one. They also appear to have legal residency presumably on the basis of a green card.
- IanDrake 10y ago
  The very second person is quite clearly a US citizen and is "terrified". His quote is the title of the post.
  - phs318u 10y ago
    Yes. He may well feel terrified. Perhaps irrationally so. I'm sure he shares that feeling with a great many people that support stronger migration controls.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

If you are a US citizen, you can always return to the United States, but you can be detained by CBP with no recourse. EDIT: See my below comment. It is not known how long CBP can detain you for. Also removed "indefinitely" from my above statement.

IanDrake 10y ago
No, not indefinitely. Stop spreading these lies.
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- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  You're right; it appears CBP can only hold you for so long, but no one knows that that limit is (nor do they have to provide a reason for detaining you). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/13/can-federal-agents-detain-citizens-at-border-checkpoints-until-they-disclose-their-smartphone-passcodes/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... "On one hand, the agents couldn’t detain Bikkannavar forever. Detaining a U.S. citizen at the border is a Fourth Amendment seizure, and that seizure can’t be unlimited. See United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976)."
  - IanDrake 10y ago
    Thanks for your revision. At the border you still have the right to a lawyer who can file a writ of habeas corpus. Then you must be charged or released.

phs318u 10y ago

The very first person mentioned in the article is quite clearly NOT a US citizen. They are however married to one. They also appear to have legal residency presumably on the basis of a green card.

IanDrake 10y ago
The very second person is quite clearly a US citizen and is "terrified". His quote is the title of the post.
- phs318u 10y ago
  Yes. He may well feel terrified. Perhaps irrationally so. I'm sure he shares that feeling with a great many people that support stronger migration controls.