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'I'm terrified to leave the country'
- IanDrake 10y agoIt's hard to take people seriously when they're a US citizen but afraid to leave the country because of the travel ban. You're a US citizen... try to understand what that means and stop being acting like a victim...because you aren't one. Pretending you may not be allowed back into the country is just causing more confusion and spreading fear to people who have nothing to fear. On the other hand, if you are not a US citizen and from a banned country, I'm sorry. Just like every other country on earth we have rules about entering ours. Sometimes these rules aren't favorable for you and that sucks. Earth is a big place though and the ban will not last forever.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoIf you are a US citizen, you can always return to the United States, but you can be detained by CBP with no recourse. EDIT: See my below comment. It is not known how long CBP can detain you for. Also removed "indefinitely" from my above statement.
- IanDrake 10y agoNo, not indefinitely. Stop spreading these lies.
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- toomuchtodo 10y agoYou're right; it appears CBP can only hold you for so long, but no one knows that that limit is (nor do they have to provide a reason for detaining you). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/13/can-federal-agents-detain-citizens-at-border-checkpoints-until-they-disclose-their-smartphone-passcodes/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... "On one hand, the agents couldn’t detain Bikkannavar forever. Detaining a U.S. citizen at the border is a Fourth Amendment seizure, and that seizure can’t be unlimited. See United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U.S. 543 (1976)."
- IanDrake 10y agoThanks for your revision. At the border you still have the right to a lawyer who can file a writ of habeas corpus. Then you must be charged or released.
- phs318u 10y agoThe very first person mentioned in the article is quite clearly NOT a US citizen. They are however married to one. They also appear to have legal residency presumably on the basis of a green card.
- jimmywanger 10y agoPeople are very bad at estimating the harm of low probability events. The risk of not being allowed back in the country is on the order of magnitude of being mauled by a grizzly bear. The odds of you getting hit by a car or dying of heart disease are far greater. If you're still scared, that's on you. Nobody can promise you freedom from fear.
- gydfi 10y agoA ridiculously privileged cadre of third-worlders, who somehow escaped to a first-world country, still feel the need to complain. If you don't like it, why don't you leave permanently?
- phs318u 10y agoWow. Let's tear your comment down. > A ridiculously privileged cadre of third worlders Privileged how? By having a decent job and (up until recently) feeling secure? If that's all it takes to be considered "ridiculously privileged" that is a shocking indictment of the US. Unless it's only ridiculous because they're "third worlders" - implying that "they" don't merit the same privileges as citizens (presumably "first worlders"). And then of course there's the provocative and pejorative use of "cadre" - a group of people trained for a particular purpose (with martial overtones). > still feel the need to complain So criticism shall not be brooked. Is that a right also reserved for non-third-worlders? Criticism is often the engine of progress. > If you don't like it, why don't you leave permanently? What if he likes the US but doesn't like this one policy? Should he still leave? Should his American wife and children be forced to leave with him? What if a natural-born citizen doesn't like "it"? Where should they leave to?
- gydfi 10y agoPrivileged in that they were allowed to leave the shit country of their ancestors, and come to the first world which was created by our ancestors, and they still want to complain about the terms under which they're allowed in.