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Although, the elephant in the room is most piracy happens under their roof, at least for music. I used to "steal" music on p2p. Now I just "watch" youtube. ht

• no_wizard 10y ago
  I would argue however that in some instances its a bit ambiguous if it is 'stealing' in that way with Youtube. While i think there are obvious examples of this (user freemusc69 certainly is NOT the legitimate copyright holder or the artist known as Kayne West, for instance), I do not believe official music video uploads like those from Vevo to youtube on behalf the recording artist or the record label are piracy in the same respect....or why would they even bother? I think the bigger problem the music industry has with youtube is semi-legitimate: They used the non-official uploads as a leverage to get them to sign en masse for Google Play Music / Youtube Music Key instead of doing the proper thing and enforcing the DMCA take downs of the music at scale. They could easily do most of this algorithmically by doing sample checks with automated software and it would likely work most of the time (plus, they could work with rights holders/publishers/record companies to maintain a 'white list' of channels that wouldn't be scanned if they're uploaded by the channel owner unless an actual DMCA complaint was filed against that channel and it turned out to be legitimate). Like most things, the real story is very complicated, and there isn't usually a good vs bad side as the water is very murky in the details.
  • syrrim 10y ago
    I believe they do what you described, but it's not perfect. In order to do it, they need to know what a song sounds like and who owns that sound. If the owner hasn't uploaded it, then they can't take down copies. They also have the problem that the copyright on a certain song might have expired, and therefore one uploader can't claim copyright to every recording (but will try). Another thing is that they will sometimes catch someone for just having a snippet of a song in a video (fair use). The result is that they can't just take every matching video down, they have to hold it in dispute, which means it will stay up for a while.
    • no_wizard 10y ago
      I wouldn't expect it to be perfect i suppose. I didn't mean to imply that it would be. I would say having some experience with the actual business of distributing music, that alot of distributors that are used to say, get your content on iTunes and the like en masse, do have the capability of allowing a service to 'sample' a song and do a lot of pre-checks of verification in that way. They could tap into that ecosystem for legitimacy. It certainly does get harder beyond that though.
  • wang_li 10y ago
    >They could easily do most of this algorithmically by doing sample checks with automated software and it would likely work most of the time (plus, they could work with rights holders/publishers/record companies to maintain a 'white list' of channels that wouldn't be scanned if they're uploaded by the channel owner unless an actual DMCA complaint was filed against that channel and it turned out to be legitimate). The largest argument against google making an autonomous car is the fact that they have zero capability to automatically and reliably detect copyright violations on their services.
    • hutzlibu 10y ago
      Or zero interest? The more content on youtube, the better for them ...
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