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>This is an enormous responsibility that Apple has never had to deal with -- there's a difference of at least 3 if not 4-5 orders of magnitude in the number of

>This is an enormous responsibility that Apple has never had to deal with -- there's a difference of at least 3 if not 4-5 orders of magnitude in the number of different types of hardware platforms that each company had to deal with. Apple is supporting two gens of hardware. The iPhone OS will support the iPhone 3GS, the latest iPod Touch, the next-gen iPhone (as of now, unreleased) and the iPad. Android has 19+ phone configurations (not counting carrier specific nuances in the firmwares) to support. I think its interesting that Mr. Lyons is "blown away" by Android features that will be coming to his iPhone in 30-60 days, with the exception of teathering (which isn't Apple's fault, but AT&T's). Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids.

studer 16y ago
> Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids. That's your opinion, not a fact. There's no reason to hate you for your opinions, unless you somehow imply that your opinion is somehow more relevant than my opinion (hint: it's not).
- redrobot5050 16y ago
  No, it is fact. Let me rephrase: A jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience (than a regular iPhone) and is much more competitive with Android. Look at the features Android offers that Apple doesn't...widgets? Jailbreak. Multi-tasking? Jailbreak. Themes? Jailbreak? Customizable lock screen? Jailbreak? Multiple ways of loading apps? Jailbreak. Do you have to pay for some of those features? Yes. Does the marginal utility of any of those features lead to a truly "must-have" experience for the average consumer? Not in the slightest.
jrockway 16y ago
Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids. And according to Jobs, the jailbroken iPhone even includes free room and board for a few years.
- lukifer 16y ago
  Can you back this up? I've never seen anything beyond voiding warranties.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking...
    - redrobot5050 16y ago
      FTA: Apple's copyright infringement claim starts with the observation that jailbroken iPhones depend on modified versions of Apple's bootloader and operating system software. True enough -- we said as much in our technical white paper describing the jailbreak process. But the courts have long recognized that copying software while reverse engineering is a fair use when done for purposes of fostering interoperability with independently created software, a body of law that Apple conveniently fails to mention. So, Steve Jobs can say what he wants. The courts are the final arbiter. Jailbreaking, like "rooting" an Android phone, perfectly legal. Warranty voiding, maybe, but legal.
beamso 16y ago
>Apple is supporting two gens of hardware. The iPhone OS will support the iPhone 3GS, the latest iPod Touch, the next-gen iPhone (as of now, unreleased) and the iPad. It's three generations. The iPhone 3G is a supported platform for iPhone OS 4.0. You do miss out on multitasking though. >I think its interesting that Mr. Lyons is "blown away" by Android features that will be coming to his iPhone in 30-60 days, with the exception of teathering (which isn't Apple's fault, but AT&T's). Lack of tethering is both Apple's and AT&T's fault. It's AT&T's fault for not activating it in the carrier profile but its also Apple's for making sure that the iPhone only allowed signed carrier profiles with iPhone OS 3.1 so that you could no longer download an alternate carrier profile with tethering enabled.
- czhiddy 16y ago
  > ts also Apple's for making sure that the iPhone only allowed signed carrier profiles with iPhone OS 3.1 so that you could no longer download an alternate carrier profile with tethering enabled. This sounds like it was added at the request of the carriers. Free tethering for everyone costs Apple nothing, and improves the user experience.
  - redrobot5050 16y ago
    I think the signed carrier profile was like the SIM lock. Carrier want it so you can't just take your iPhone to the next carrier.
bill2010 16y ago
You seem to have missed that Android is offering wifi tethering. The iPhone doesn't have that.
- redrobot5050 16y ago
  http://rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html http://rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html Sorry, I beg to differ.

studer 16y ago

> Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids. That's your opinion, not a fact. There's no reason to hate you for your opinions, unless you somehow imply that your opinion is somehow more relevant than my opinion (hint: it's not).

redrobot5050 16y ago
No, it is fact. Let me rephrase: A jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience (than a regular iPhone) and is much more competitive with Android. Look at the features Android offers that Apple doesn't...widgets? Jailbreak. Multi-tasking? Jailbreak. Themes? Jailbreak? Customizable lock screen? Jailbreak? Multiple ways of loading apps? Jailbreak. Do you have to pay for some of those features? Yes. Does the marginal utility of any of those features lead to a truly "must-have" experience for the average consumer? Not in the slightest.

jrockway 16y ago

Also, people hate to hear this, but a jailbroken iPhone provides a much better experience and much more competitive than Androids. And according to Jobs, the jailbroken iPhone even includes free room and board for a few years.

lukifer 16y ago
Can you back this up? I've never seen anything beyond voiding warranties.
- jrockway 16y ago
  http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking...
  - redrobot5050 16y ago
    FTA: Apple's copyright infringement claim starts with the observation that jailbroken iPhones depend on modified versions of Apple's bootloader and operating system software. True enough -- we said as much in our technical white paper describing the jailbreak process. But the courts have long recognized that copying software while reverse engineering is a fair use when done for purposes of fostering interoperability with independently created software, a body of law that Apple conveniently fails to mention. So, Steve Jobs can say what he wants. The courts are the final arbiter. Jailbreaking, like "rooting" an Android phone, perfectly legal. Warranty voiding, maybe, but legal.

beamso 16y ago

>Apple is supporting two gens of hardware. The iPhone OS will support the iPhone 3GS, the latest iPod Touch, the next-gen iPhone (as of now, unreleased) and the iPad. It's three generations. The iPhone 3G is a supported platform for iPhone OS 4.0. You do miss out on multitasking though. >I think its interesting that Mr. Lyons is "blown away" by Android features that will be coming to his iPhone in 30-60 days, with the exception of teathering (which isn't Apple's fault, but AT&T's). Lack of tethering is both Apple's and AT&T's fault. It's AT&T's fault for not activating it in the carrier profile but its also Apple's for making sure that the iPhone only allowed signed carrier profiles with iPhone OS 3.1 so that you could no longer download an alternate carrier profile with tethering enabled.

czhiddy 16y ago
> ts also Apple's for making sure that the iPhone only allowed signed carrier profiles with iPhone OS 3.1 so that you could no longer download an alternate carrier profile with tethering enabled. This sounds like it was added at the request of the carriers. Free tethering for everyone costs Apple nothing, and improves the user experience.
- redrobot5050 16y ago
  I think the signed carrier profile was like the SIM lock. Carrier want it so you can't just take your iPhone to the next carrier.

bill2010 16y ago

You seem to have missed that Android is offering wifi tethering. The iPhone doesn't have that.

redrobot5050 16y ago
http://rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html http://rockyourphone.com/index.php/mywi.html Sorry, I beg to differ.