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> > You cannot compare the current state of things, beholden to reality, with a utopian implementation of some currently non-existent thing. This feels like a

> > You cannot compare the current state of things, beholden to reality, with a utopian implementation of some currently non-existent thing. This feels like a fallacy worthy of a name. Does it have one?

jaffathecake 10y ago
Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy is closest?
- huskyr 10y ago
  "A choice between one realistic achievable possibility and another unrealistic solution that could in some way be better" is the definition on Wikipedia. Sounds pretty much spot-on.
franciscop 10y ago
XKCD's Standards is the closest I know: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
sjwright 10y ago
The closest thing I can think of is "version 2 syndrome" or what Mythical Man Month described as "second-system effect". But it's not quite that. This cognitive problem tends be a cause of second-system effect.
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teleclimber 10y ago
Completely agree. I read that line twice when I read the article. It applies to so many things. If no name yet let's call it _Archibald's Rule_. I met Jake at a conf and he is a solid yet approachable guy (and funny too).
- oridecon 10y ago
  What's the rule for rules that get named multiple times because nobody knows about them?
  - chch 10y ago
    Seems mostly like The Matthew Effect[1], with a touch of Stigler's law of eponymy[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect#Sociology_of_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect#Sociology_of_sc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy
    - teleclimber 10y ago
      These really don't get to the meat of the matter for me as these seem to be about giving credit. I think Nirvana Fallacy, mentioned in another comment is the right one.
  - teleclimber 10y ago
    I did say "If no name yet..."
    - oridecon 10y ago
      It wasn't a jab at you or anybody, I just found the whole exchange pretty funny

jaffathecake 10y ago

Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy is closest?

huskyr 10y ago
"A choice between one realistic achievable possibility and another unrealistic solution that could in some way be better" is the definition on Wikipedia. Sounds pretty much spot-on.

franciscop 10y ago

XKCD's Standards is the closest I know: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/

sjwright 10y ago

The closest thing I can think of is "version 2 syndrome" or what Mythical Man Month described as "second-system effect". But it's not quite that. This cognitive problem tends be a cause of second-system effect.

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teleclimber 10y ago

Completely agree. I read that line twice when I read the article. It applies to so many things. If no name yet let's call it _Archibald's Rule_. I met Jake at a conf and he is a solid yet approachable guy (and funny too).

oridecon 10y ago
What's the rule for rules that get named multiple times because nobody knows about them?
- chch 10y ago
  Seems mostly like The Matthew Effect[1], with a touch of Stigler's law of eponymy[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect#Sociology_of_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect#Sociology_of_sc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler's_law_of_eponymy
  - teleclimber 10y ago
    These really don't get to the meat of the matter for me as these seem to be about giving credit. I think Nirvana Fallacy, mentioned in another comment is the right one.
- teleclimber 10y ago
  I did say "If no name yet..."
  - oridecon 10y ago
    It wasn't a jab at you or anybody, I just found the whole exchange pretty funny