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> but your response to workplace harrassment would be to harrass their spouse instead? Not as a first resort of course. But if you involve HR, you might get th
by patricius 10y ago
> but your response to workplace harrassment would be to harrass their spouse instead?
Not as a first resort of course. But if you involve HR, you might get the 'harassing' person fired and take away his/her livelihood, even though that person might be very productive and an important asset to the company. Just because a number of people were offended. It wasn't like he was violent towards them or anything according to the story.
> Please bear in mind, being female in US and British culture can be pretty unpleasant at times, with a continued attitude held by a lot of men that it's perfectly okay to proposition strangers in the street in loud voices, or shout suggestive comments at them, or demand "just a smile, love" or a conversation like it's their right to have a conversation with you, or that you _owe_ them a conversation. Imagine you're a woman in the tech industry, where women are chronically under-represented.
Yeah, but what are you going to do about that? Some women and men will be flattered by such remarks by strangers, some won't. We have very different sensibilities.
How will you solve the underrepresentation of women in tech? By forcing more women to take jobs they may not be interested in? By forcing companies to hire more women because 'gender diversity'?
> For you or me, as men, we might find such an incident as this slightly novel and interesting. If we've spent our _entire lives_ dealing with unwanted and unsolicited sexual advances and comments and innuendo, with media representations of our gender as little more than objects of male desire, and then we get such comments, can't you imagine that we might just feel a _little bit fed up_?
But is that really the case? Do media generally portrait women the way you describe? Not in my experience. Do women go through life fighting every day dealing with these advances and comments? Not that I've heard from my female friends.
- lkbm 10y ago> How will you solve the underrepresentation of women in tech? By forcing more women to take jobs they may not be interested in? By forcing companies to hire more women because 'gender diversity'? So... You're opposed to involving the part of the business tasked with stopping inappropriate behavior because that might result in accountability for the inappropriate behavior. You're reframing a manager propositioning a new hire for sex as people being "offended". You're suggesting that because there was no actual violence, management shouldn't be alerted. And you're only ideas of how to solve the underrepresentation of women in tech is to force women into the jobs or force companies to hire more women. I suspect you know your suggestions are meant to be straw men, but just in case, the correct answer to your question is to stop harassment of female employees. Stop dismissing the harassment of female employees as them simply being offended. Stop insisting management shouldn't be alerted to harassment because you're worried that they might do something about it. My small part in solving the underrepresentation of women in tech is going to to be to support accountability for inappropriate sexual advances towards subordinates. > Do women go through life fighting every day dealing with these advances and comments? Not that I've heard from my female friends. And you fully intend to disregard all the women saying they do?