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> generally servers make very little without tip So pay them more. isn't the whole point of paying for a meal is to include expenses like paying employees? By

by sagivo 10y ago

> generally servers make very little without tip So pay them more. isn't the whole point of paying for a meal is to include expenses like paying employees? By paying tips you actually contributing to a system that doesn't pay to employees.

Notre1 10y ago
But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour, then you are punishing that worker. Punishing them vastly more than you are punishing are system or the employer. If you really don't want to support tipping culture, don't use any service/store that allows for it and petition your legislature to change the laws.
- Pyxl101 10y ago
  > But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour In the USA, all tipped employees always earn at least the federal minimum wage. There is no such thing as a service worker making $2.35 per hour. https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm It's possible that food service workers might earn a lot more than minimum wage with tips, such that taking away their tips would hurt their compensation. Perhaps - it's still arguably no concern of the patron. If I'm buying an automobile from a car dealership, should I pay extra because the poor car salesman needs his commission? I don't think so. His compensation is between him and the leadership. It is fair that I negotiate the lowest possible price, and a price that works for me. Regardless of all that, my primary point is that it is incorrect to claim that servers will make less than minimum wage without tips. They always earn minimum wage and so this is not a reason to justify tipping.
- PhantomGremlin 10y ago
  a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour This varies by state. For example, in Oregon the minimum wage is $9.75, and, importantly: Oregon is one of the few states that does not allow employers to take a tip credit. Employees must be paid at least the full state minimum wage, whether or not they also earn tips. Despite this "high" wage, there is no shortage of restaurants in Oregon. Somehow good restaurants do manage to stay in business here. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/oregon-laws-tipped-employees.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/oregon-laws-tipped-em...
- flukus 10y ago
  > But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour No, the society they live in is punishing them.
Kurtz79 10y ago
"So pay them more." As a European that is also often uncomfortable with this typical US "custom", I think it is kind of an arrogant statement to make. It is just a different way to do things, and I'm not sure what servers would choose given the option. In Europe servers tend to work long hours, often at minimum wage (I worked briefly as one, while studying), it's not like they are treated substantially better. At least in the US you can count on the occasional generous tip, and good servers tend to work for it.
- eivarv 10y ago
  How is it arrogant? In European countries with minimum wages one can live off of, they are per definition treated substantially better. Not only is this not always the case in the US, but there are exceptions from minimum wage in professions with tips.

by sagivo 10y ago

Notre1 10y ago

But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour, then you are punishing that worker. Punishing them vastly more than you are punishing are system or the employer. If you really don't want to support tipping culture, don't use any service/store that allows for it and petition your legislature to change the laws.

Pyxl101 10y ago
> But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour In the USA, all tipped employees always earn at least the federal minimum wage. There is no such thing as a service worker making $2.35 per hour. https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm It's possible that food service workers might earn a lot more than minimum wage with tips, such that taking away their tips would hurt their compensation. Perhaps - it's still arguably no concern of the patron. If I'm buying an automobile from a car dealership, should I pay extra because the poor car salesman needs his commission? I don't think so. His compensation is between him and the leadership. It is fair that I negotiate the lowest possible price, and a price that works for me. Regardless of all that, my primary point is that it is incorrect to claim that servers will make less than minimum wage without tips. They always earn minimum wage and so this is not a reason to justify tipping.
PhantomGremlin 10y ago
a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour This varies by state. For example, in Oregon the minimum wage is $9.75, and, importantly: Oregon is one of the few states that does not allow employers to take a tip credit. Employees must be paid at least the full state minimum wage, whether or not they also earn tips. Despite this "high" wage, there is no shortage of restaurants in Oregon. Somehow good restaurants do manage to stay in business here. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/oregon-laws-tipped-employees.html http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/oregon-laws-tipped-em...
flukus 10y ago
> But, if you decide not tip someone, especially a food service worker that you know is only making $2.35/hour No, the society they live in is punishing them.

Kurtz79 10y ago

"So pay them more." As a European that is also often uncomfortable with this typical US "custom", I think it is kind of an arrogant statement to make. It is just a different way to do things, and I'm not sure what servers would choose given the option. In Europe servers tend to work long hours, often at minimum wage (I worked briefly as one, while studying), it's not like they are treated substantially better. At least in the US you can count on the occasional generous tip, and good servers tend to work for it.

eivarv 10y ago
How is it arrogant? In European countries with minimum wages one can live off of, they are per definition treated substantially better. Not only is this not always the case in the US, but there are exceptions from minimum wage in professions with tips.