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It is valid to point out that the allegations are not corroborated. To suggest that the author invented a sexual harassment fantasy to advertise her book is how

by Gatsky 10y ago

It is valid to point out that the allegations are not corroborated. To suggest that the author invented a sexual harassment fantasy to advertise her book is however quite crazy.

aisofteng 10y ago
It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. I'm not implying that's what this is, because I have no verifiable knowledge of the sitauations. I was pointing out a (possibly chance) correlation that should give pause. That is not "crazy". If the alleged events happened to me, I would find it serious enough of an issue that it would not occur to me to advertise my book when writing about it; conflating a moral stance with a moneymaking one makes no sense to me. Calling the idea of not judging until proof has been presented "crazy" is what is crazy. The allegations may well be true; if they are, there should be severe consequences. As it stands, though, all we have is one person's story, containing a self advertisement but no examples of supposedly recorded proof.
- cstejerean 10y ago
  She was not advertising her book. She used her book as an example to substantiate her claim that her transfer was blocked for bullshit reasons. Seems perfectly appropriate to me.
  - aisofteng 10y ago
    She linked to it in her original blog post. Edit: I went to the original post to provide a link and she has removed the link. I don't have a screenshot of the old post because it did not occur to me to take one. However, at least one other commenter has mentioned it.
- Gatsky 10y ago
  I didn't say withholding judgement was crazy, see the first sentence in my comment. I just don't see your point - she wrote a blog post. On her own website. She didn't say she was writing about the moral philosophy of sexual harassment. She didn't set out to write a feminist manifesto. She just wrote down what happened to her. Issues about morality and stance conflation are being imposed by you, derived from your hypothetical musings on how you would react, and what you would find appropriate. She can write whatever the hell she likes, frankly, thank god she wrote anything at all.
  - aisofteng 10y ago
    >She just wrote down what happened to her What she _said_ happened to her. Nobody has corroborated and she has presented no evidence. It may well have happened, and would be rightfully a scandal about deplorable behavior if it did - but there is nothing so far besides just this one person's blog post which she herself says multiple others _can_ corroborate.
    - bravura 10y ago
      'If you are saying things like “We can’t really know what happened” and extra-specially pleading on behalf of the extra-special Woody Allen, then you are saying that his innocence is more presumptive than hers. You are saying that he is on trial, not her: he deserves judicial safeguards in the court of public opinion, but she does not. The damnably difficult thing about all of this, of course, is that you can’t presume that both are innocent at the same time. One of them must be saying something that is not true. But “he said, she said” doesn’t resolve to “let’s start by assuming she’s lying,” except in a rape culture, and if you are presuming his innocence by presuming her mendacity, you are rape cultured.' https://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/woody-allens-good-name/ https://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/woody-allens-good...
      - jimmywanger 10y ago
        Nobody is assuming she's lying. However, libel laws are in place for a reason. If all it takes is an accusation of impropriety for people to treat the accused as actually guilty, well, that's not justice. And it's a hell of a leap from "sexual harassment" to "rape". And to bring any sort of culture into this is laughable. I don't see anybody rushing to the defense of Uber if these allegations are actually true.
    - xenadu02 10y ago
      Except everything we've ever heard out of Uber makes her story extremely believable. If Uber weren't run by a bunch of assholes doing their damnedest to act like assholes at every opportunity then maybe we could all stop and be careful to wait for the results of the investigation. There was a six month period where their entire executive team kept causing self-inflicted wounds to the point that investors had to tell them to shut up and stop talking. You get the benefit of the doubt initially, yes. Uber long ago tossed that benefit in a dumpster, lit the dumpster on fire, then nuked the whole town from orbit.

by Gatsky 10y ago

It is valid to point out that the allegations are not corroborated. To suggest that the author invented a sexual harassment fantasy to advertise her book is however quite crazy.

aisofteng 10y ago

It wouldn't be the first time such a thing has happened. I'm not implying that's what this is, because I have no verifiable knowledge of the sitauations. I was pointing out a (possibly chance) correlation that should give pause. That is not "crazy". If the alleged events happened to me, I would find it serious enough of an issue that it would not occur to me to advertise my book when writing about it; conflating a moral stance with a moneymaking one makes no sense to me. Calling the idea of not judging until proof has been presented "crazy" is what is crazy. The allegations may well be true; if they are, there should be severe consequences. As it stands, though, all we have is one person's story, containing a self advertisement but no examples of supposedly recorded proof.

cstejerean 10y ago
She was not advertising her book. She used her book as an example to substantiate her claim that her transfer was blocked for bullshit reasons. Seems perfectly appropriate to me.
- aisofteng 10y ago
  She linked to it in her original blog post. Edit: I went to the original post to provide a link and she has removed the link. I don't have a screenshot of the old post because it did not occur to me to take one. However, at least one other commenter has mentioned it.
Gatsky 10y ago
I didn't say withholding judgement was crazy, see the first sentence in my comment. I just don't see your point - she wrote a blog post. On her own website. She didn't say she was writing about the moral philosophy of sexual harassment. She didn't set out to write a feminist manifesto. She just wrote down what happened to her. Issues about morality and stance conflation are being imposed by you, derived from your hypothetical musings on how you would react, and what you would find appropriate. She can write whatever the hell she likes, frankly, thank god she wrote anything at all.
- aisofteng 10y ago
  >She just wrote down what happened to her What she _said_ happened to her. Nobody has corroborated and she has presented no evidence. It may well have happened, and would be rightfully a scandal about deplorable behavior if it did - but there is nothing so far besides just this one person's blog post which she herself says multiple others _can_ corroborate.
  - bravura 10y ago
    'If you are saying things like “We can’t really know what happened” and extra-specially pleading on behalf of the extra-special Woody Allen, then you are saying that his innocence is more presumptive than hers. You are saying that he is on trial, not her: he deserves judicial safeguards in the court of public opinion, but she does not. The damnably difficult thing about all of this, of course, is that you can’t presume that both are innocent at the same time. One of them must be saying something that is not true. But “he said, she said” doesn’t resolve to “let’s start by assuming she’s lying,” except in a rape culture, and if you are presuming his innocence by presuming her mendacity, you are rape cultured.' https://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/woody-allens-good-name/ https://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/woody-allens-good...
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      Nobody is assuming she's lying. However, libel laws are in place for a reason. If all it takes is an accusation of impropriety for people to treat the accused as actually guilty, well, that's not justice. And it's a hell of a leap from "sexual harassment" to "rape". And to bring any sort of culture into this is laughable. I don't see anybody rushing to the defense of Uber if these allegations are actually true.
  - xenadu02 10y ago
    Except everything we've ever heard out of Uber makes her story extremely believable. If Uber weren't run by a bunch of assholes doing their damnedest to act like assholes at every opportunity then maybe we could all stop and be careful to wait for the results of the investigation. There was a six month period where their entire executive team kept causing self-inflicted wounds to the point that investors had to tell them to shut up and stop talking. You get the benefit of the doubt initially, yes. Uber long ago tossed that benefit in a dumpster, lit the dumpster on fire, then nuked the whole town from orbit.