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Not just sex, but sex in an "open relationship," presumably as "backup booty." It's hard for me to understand why she didn't immediately start trying to GTFO,

Not just sex, but sex in an "open relationship," presumably as "backup booty." It's hard for me to understand why she didn't immediately start trying to GTFO, but instead stuck around for a year and tried to make things work. Save transcripts and screenshots, find a new job, then sue at leisure.

stevebmark 10y ago
You really can't think of a reason why someone would want to stay at a company like Uber? Salary? Stock options? Career path? Career security? Coworkers? The early belief that HR would help correct this? She did end up leaving the company after trying to fix it. Your not understanding why she stayed for so long is part of the problem.
- username223 10y ago
  > Salary? Stock options? Are they really so much above typical Bay Area rates? > Career path? Career security? Plenty of people are still hiring in the current bubble, and she's an SRE, not an auto specialist or something. > Coworkers? Like the one who dropped his pants? > The early belief that HR would help correct this? Of which she was quickly disabused.
  - smhost 10y ago
    I think the downvotes might be from people who want to be super careful about victim-blaming. But I agree with you that we should be training people to detect bullshit early on and to just get the fuck out in those situations. Labeling her actions as rational and healthy is probably not helpful either.
    - stevebmark 10y ago
      You both should sit this one out. Talk to your women engineer friends to get a better understanding of the situation.
      - smhost 10y ago
        This isn't a sports match. What's wrong with what I said?
        tunesmith 10y ago
        Because she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. I don't understand why that is hard to understand.
        username223 10y ago
        > Because she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. There's not a whole lot of "have to" going on here. I'm just some boring straight "cuck," and if one of my female superiors propositioned me, and was protected by management, I'd immediately start looking for ways to GTFO. There are plenty of less-fucked places to have a career.
        smhost 10y ago
        Of course she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. Of course Uber shouldn't have such shitty policies. You're reading things that aren't there.
        mLuby 10y ago
        Her actions are rational; she followed the relevant protocols, policies and laws, just as a machine would. Ask some women about this post, and listen to what they tell you. Don't argue, just absorb.
        smhost 10y ago
        Yes, of course her actions were rational as she followed protocol. But then they became irrational when she decided to stay, even after she found out that nothing would be done about the harassment, after she found out how backwards and stupid the Uber's policies are.
        monodeldiablo 10y ago
jacquesm 10y ago
> It's hard for me to understand why she didn't immediately start trying to GTFO, but instead stuck around for a year and tried to make things work. Some possibilities: - Because she's loyal to her co-workers - Maybe still not jaded enough to jump ship at the first reason - quite possibly didn't have another job lined up to jump ship to A year isn't all that long, and if things had been turned around who knows she might still be working there today. Obviously they have not, things have gone rapidly downhill so she made the right choice in abandoning Uber but you really can't fault someone for trying to fix things before they give up.
- cbanek 10y ago
  A year is a typical vesting schedule for stock options though.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    I read nothing about options in the article, did she mention those somewhere else?
    - cbanek 10y ago
      I didn't either, but I mean, that's a very typical reason for people leaving near 1 year after a startup. And I'm almost certain Uber is offering some kind of equity package to engineers.
      - jacquesm 10y ago
        Sure, but until there is a liquid market that's worth $0. Who will you sell your newly vested shares to?
        cbanek 10y ago
        It's not worth $0. At least not according to the IRS. But you're right, it's certainly a big gamble, although every year people rumor that Uber is going to go public.
astrostl 10y ago
From TFA: "I was enrolled in a Stanford CS graduate program, sponsored by Uber, and Uber only sponsored employees who had high performance scores."
mst 10y ago
Much though the dude was a terrible person (and fireable for doing that at work) please don't assume that all open relationships are similarly unethical. It doesn't need scare quotes any more than being gay does.
logicfiction 10y ago
> I was enrolled in a Stanford CS graduate program, sponsored by Uber, and Uber only sponsored employees who had high performance scores. Under both of my official performance reviews and scores, I qualified for the program, but after this sneaky new negative score I was no longer eligible. She had sponsorship in a graduate program at a great school. Eventually this was allegedly ruined in a retroactive performance review change. It seems like it was roughly a few weeks after that when she left.
- Rapzid 10y ago
  On top of that Uber appears to be a huge addition to her relatively short (public)work history. Now she's at Stripe. Hard to fault the logic of sticking things out if they weren't getting too crazy. People are always having to weigh risk and adversity against reward. This is why the power dynamic between superiors and subordinates is such a huge factor in company HR policies and it's taken so seriously; from corporate US to the military. The situations that can arise can be quite complicated and messy.

stevebmark 10y ago

You really can't think of a reason why someone would want to stay at a company like Uber? Salary? Stock options? Career path? Career security? Coworkers? The early belief that HR would help correct this? She did end up leaving the company after trying to fix it. Your not understanding why she stayed for so long is part of the problem.

username223 10y ago
> Salary? Stock options? Are they really so much above typical Bay Area rates? > Career path? Career security? Plenty of people are still hiring in the current bubble, and she's an SRE, not an auto specialist or something. > Coworkers? Like the one who dropped his pants? > The early belief that HR would help correct this? Of which she was quickly disabused.
- smhost 10y ago
  I think the downvotes might be from people who want to be super careful about victim-blaming. But I agree with you that we should be training people to detect bullshit early on and to just get the fuck out in those situations. Labeling her actions as rational and healthy is probably not helpful either.
  - stevebmark 10y ago
    You both should sit this one out. Talk to your women engineer friends to get a better understanding of the situation.
    - smhost 10y ago
      This isn't a sports match. What's wrong with what I said?
      - tunesmith 10y ago
        Because she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. I don't understand why that is hard to understand.
        username223 10y ago
        > Because she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. There's not a whole lot of "have to" going on here. I'm just some boring straight "cuck," and if one of my female superiors propositioned me, and was protected by management, I'd immediately start looking for ways to GTFO. There are plenty of less-fucked places to have a career.
        smhost 10y ago
        Of course she shouldn't have to get the fuck out. Of course Uber shouldn't have such shitty policies. You're reading things that aren't there.
      - mLuby 10y ago
        Her actions are rational; she followed the relevant protocols, policies and laws, just as a machine would. Ask some women about this post, and listen to what they tell you. Don't argue, just absorb.
        smhost 10y ago
        Yes, of course her actions were rational as she followed protocol. But then they became irrational when she decided to stay, even after she found out that nothing would be done about the harassment, after she found out how backwards and stupid the Uber's policies are.
        monodeldiablo 10y ago

jacquesm 10y ago

> It's hard for me to understand why she didn't immediately start trying to GTFO, but instead stuck around for a year and tried to make things work. Some possibilities: - Because she's loyal to her co-workers - Maybe still not jaded enough to jump ship at the first reason - quite possibly didn't have another job lined up to jump ship to A year isn't all that long, and if things had been turned around who knows she might still be working there today. Obviously they have not, things have gone rapidly downhill so she made the right choice in abandoning Uber but you really can't fault someone for trying to fix things before they give up.

cbanek 10y ago
A year is a typical vesting schedule for stock options though.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  I read nothing about options in the article, did she mention those somewhere else?
  - cbanek 10y ago
    I didn't either, but I mean, that's a very typical reason for people leaving near 1 year after a startup. And I'm almost certain Uber is offering some kind of equity package to engineers.
    - jacquesm 10y ago
      Sure, but until there is a liquid market that's worth $0. Who will you sell your newly vested shares to?
      - cbanek 10y ago
        It's not worth $0. At least not according to the IRS. But you're right, it's certainly a big gamble, although every year people rumor that Uber is going to go public.

astrostl 10y ago

From TFA: "I was enrolled in a Stanford CS graduate program, sponsored by Uber, and Uber only sponsored employees who had high performance scores."

mst 10y ago

Much though the dude was a terrible person (and fireable for doing that at work) please don't assume that all open relationships are similarly unethical. It doesn't need scare quotes any more than being gay does.

logicfiction 10y ago

> I was enrolled in a Stanford CS graduate program, sponsored by Uber, and Uber only sponsored employees who had high performance scores. Under both of my official performance reviews and scores, I qualified for the program, but after this sneaky new negative score I was no longer eligible. She had sponsorship in a graduate program at a great school. Eventually this was allegedly ruined in a retroactive performance review change. It seems like it was roughly a few weeks after that when she left.

Rapzid 10y ago
On top of that Uber appears to be a huge addition to her relatively short (public)work history. Now she's at Stripe. Hard to fault the logic of sticking things out if they weren't getting too crazy. People are always having to weigh risk and adversity against reward. This is why the power dynamic between superiors and subordinates is such a huge factor in company HR policies and it's taken so seriously; from corporate US to the military. The situations that can arise can be quite complicated and messy.