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This going way over the line for politics on HN but I can't let it go. Everyone repeating the story you are pushing is robbing the Hillary supporters of their a

This going way over the line for politics on HN but I can't let it go. Everyone repeating the story you are pushing is robbing the Hillary supporters of their agency. I've voted for Democrats for years and years. I didn't view Bernie as a once in a lifetime opportunity. I saw him as way too far left for me. I was clearly wrong on the relative electability of Hillary & Bernie, but I'm voted in the primary for the candidate that better represented my views. I didn't vote for Hillary because the DNC made me do it or the media lied to me. I watched their speeches, I read their websites, I watched the debates, and I decided I'd rather have Hillary than Bernie. That's it. It's not a giant conspiracy, there's just a lot of rank and file Democratic voters that aren't all in on Bernie's worldview. If you want to make an argument for why I should be more in on the Bernie plan than Hillary's plan I'd hear it (I guess not on HN), but stop pretending like the majority of Democratic primary voters were duped.

spopejoy 10y ago
I'm inclined to agree with you, albeit from the "Bernie's not left enough" side -- I was amongst those who were critical of his decision to go Democrat in the first place, announcing right from the start that he'd endorse Hillary if he lost, which he did, and WTF does that mean for his policies/politics??? However, I'm surprised that you aren't offended by the DNC's corruption and dishonesty. Say what you want about Bernie -- you can't deny he attracted much new blood to the party; he was the last hope of reclaiming the lost passion of the 2008 Obama campaign. The DNC's open hostility to his candidacy was shameful. If you're trying to imply that somehow it had no effect on the primary outcome, you should share whatever you're smoking with the group.
maxerickson 10y ago
We have little to no evidence about the electability of Bernie.
- ABCLAW 10y ago
  A number of comparative studies were performed during the primaries regarding the electibility of various candidates against their counterparts on the other side. Sanders performed very well against Trump on those metrics. There are a number of people advancing the 'we have no evidence' banner in this thread, which is strange because studies of electibility were commonly discussed here during the primaries.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    I just happen to believe it. What it comes down to is that I don't think electability polls taken before the conventions can really tell us much about how people would feel about Sanders after he started getting hammered in a general election.
    - ABCLAW 10y ago
      Certainly! That's a fair criticism. I just wanted to point out that the statement that there is 'little or no evidence' is not accurate. Many rounds of electability analysis were performed.

spopejoy 10y ago

I'm inclined to agree with you, albeit from the "Bernie's not left enough" side -- I was amongst those who were critical of his decision to go Democrat in the first place, announcing right from the start that he'd endorse Hillary if he lost, which he did, and WTF does that mean for his policies/politics??? However, I'm surprised that you aren't offended by the DNC's corruption and dishonesty. Say what you want about Bernie -- you can't deny he attracted much new blood to the party; he was the last hope of reclaiming the lost passion of the 2008 Obama campaign. The DNC's open hostility to his candidacy was shameful. If you're trying to imply that somehow it had no effect on the primary outcome, you should share whatever you're smoking with the group.

maxerickson 10y ago

We have little to no evidence about the electability of Bernie.

ABCLAW 10y ago
A number of comparative studies were performed during the primaries regarding the electibility of various candidates against their counterparts on the other side. Sanders performed very well against Trump on those metrics. There are a number of people advancing the 'we have no evidence' banner in this thread, which is strange because studies of electibility were commonly discussed here during the primaries.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  I just happen to believe it. What it comes down to is that I don't think electability polls taken before the conventions can really tell us much about how people would feel about Sanders after he started getting hammered in a general election.
  - ABCLAW 10y ago
    Certainly! That's a fair criticism. I just wanted to point out that the statement that there is 'little or no evidence' is not accurate. Many rounds of electability analysis were performed.