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Just sharing some of my own views on this: 1. systemd got adopted by Arch way before Fedora. 2. Most people who actually use it daily think that it's a good

Just sharing some of my own views on this: 1. systemd got adopted by Arch way before Fedora. 2. Most people who actually use it daily think that it's a good change, yes, it may not be 100 "one thing", but it "does do it well" and the fact is, booting up a modern computer involves more than one thing anyway, I think it's better to have it this way, writing systemd unit files is much saner than crazy shell scripts. Opinions may differ, of course. The 50+ years old design needs upgrading from time to time. C is also not perfect etc. 3. systemd is easy to get going on any distro, not just RH, unlike many of Canonical's creations. 4. Unlike Canonical, RH employs many people that benefit the wider community* as a whole, ie GNOME, kernel devs etc. * ie Arch Linux is independent of RedHat, yet we (its users) greatly benefit from their work, not much from Canonical's.

sangnoir 10y ago
> 3. systemd is easy to get going on any distro, not just RH, unlike many of Canonical's creations. I don't know where you're going with this, but didn't "Canonical's creation" upstart ship with RHEL6? > 4. Unlike Canonical, RH employs many people that benefit the wider community* as a whole, ie GNOME, kernel devs etc. No shit. RH has 14-times as many employees as Canonical (Google suggests 9 870 vs 700). I didn't bother to check revenue figures, but it's obvious that Canonical has to choose it's battles. In some cases, I find the nebulous benefits to the "community" dubious: Gnome3 and systemd seem to have been conceived fully formed from the minds of their RH-employed leads who are pretty headstrong and won't easily accept criticism of their vision by the said community. I'm sure there are enough rants online about features dropped from Gnome3 with no real reason. The late Pieter Hintjens had something to say about who benefited as Red Hat interacted with the AMQP community[1] 1. http://techrights.org/2009/03/18/amqp-patents-red-hat/ http://techrights.org/2009/03/18/amqp-patents-red-hat/

sangnoir 10y ago

> 3. systemd is easy to get going on any distro, not just RH, unlike many of Canonical's creations. I don't know where you're going with this, but didn't "Canonical's creation" upstart ship with RHEL6? > 4. Unlike Canonical, RH employs many people that benefit the wider community* as a whole, ie GNOME, kernel devs etc. No shit. RH has 14-times as many employees as Canonical (Google suggests 9 870 vs 700). I didn't bother to check revenue figures, but it's obvious that Canonical has to choose it's battles. In some cases, I find the nebulous benefits to the "community" dubious: Gnome3 and systemd seem to have been conceived fully formed from the minds of their RH-employed leads who are pretty headstrong and won't easily accept criticism of their vision by the said community. I'm sure there are enough rants online about features dropped from Gnome3 with no real reason. The late Pieter Hintjens had something to say about who benefited as Red Hat interacted with the AMQP community[1] 1. http://techrights.org/2009/03/18/amqp-patents-red-hat/ http://techrights.org/2009/03/18/amqp-patents-red-hat/