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A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. In five years, replace the battery for an extra ~5K EUR (you probably won't need to, my EV battery is 4

A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. In five years, replace the battery for an extra ~5K EUR (you probably won't need to, my EV battery is 4+ years old with 50k miles on it and still works great, but we'll include it in the cost just to calm your fears) Even including a brand new battery, total cost is still well below your 15K EUR max budget, using real-world numbers you can actually purchase with today : http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?make=RENAULT&model=ZOE&postcode=sw1a0aa&radius=200&price-to=9500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&price-from=500&search-target=usedcars&quicksearch=true http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?make=RENAULT&model=ZO...

ptaipale 10y ago
>A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. What? Where? Denmark? I'd seriously consider. Here (Finland) they are completely unavailable as used, and new ones start at 32 990 €.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  The GP linked to a UK website in their comment.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    Oh. Right-hand drive. Not very good here. It looks like a new Zoe sells for exactly half the price in UK (14 k£ , 16 400 €) than here in Finland (33 k€). Is there a substantial subsidy on electric cars in UK? Here they have less tax than others.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      There is a substantial subsidy, but not one that covers the full price difference you've highlighted: https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants/what-youll-get https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants/what-youll-get
paganel 10y ago
I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well. I saw that Zoe is priced at around 23,000 euros new, which for a mini-car is really expensive (if you're not a SV engineer, that is)
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  >"I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well." I don't know what the second hand car market is like where you live, but just in case it's similar to the UK, it's possible to get a second hand hybrid electric car for similar money in the UK. For example, can get a second hand Prius for less than £3k if you shop around: http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=18290&_from=R40&_trksid=p2374313.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xprius.TRS0&_nkw=prius http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=18290&_from=R40&_trksi...
- maxsilver 10y ago
  Well, sure, a 7 year old used car costs less than a 3 year old one does. I'm not sure that's a fair comparison though. a Nissan LEAF or Renault Zoe will probably end up around your 4k euro price when they get to be 7 years old too. My point is that if you want an affordable EV option, they exist. You don't have to be an engineer to afford an electric car anymore, they've become reasonably cheap, and prices seem to slowly be dropping every year
dingaling 10y ago
> A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. Bear in mind that with many examples of Renault and Nissan EVs, you also have to pay a mandatory monthly battery leasing fee - even as the second or subsequent owner. So the headline purchase cost is only part of the price. There are some Zoes, and a larger proportion of Leafs, in which the battery is owned outright but one has to check before purchasing.
- mmel 10y ago
  Does that mean they replace the batteries at no cost when they start to fail, as you're leasing them and don't own them?

ptaipale 10y ago

>A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. What? Where? Denmark? I'd seriously consider. Here (Finland) they are completely unavailable as used, and new ones start at 32 990 €.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
The GP linked to a UK website in their comment.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Oh. Right-hand drive. Not very good here. It looks like a new Zoe sells for exactly half the price in UK (14 k£ , 16 400 €) than here in Finland (33 k€). Is there a substantial subsidy on electric cars in UK? Here they have less tax than others.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    There is a substantial subsidy, but not one that covers the full price difference you've highlighted: https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants/what-youll-get https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants/what-youll-get

paganel 10y ago

I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well. I saw that Zoe is priced at around 23,000 euros new, which for a mini-car is really expensive (if you're not a SV engineer, that is)

ZenoArrow 10y ago
>"I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well." I don't know what the second hand car market is like where you live, but just in case it's similar to the UK, it's possible to get a second hand hybrid electric car for similar money in the UK. For example, can get a second hand Prius for less than £3k if you shop around: http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=18290&_from=R40&_trksid=p2374313.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xprius.TRS0&_nkw=prius http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=18290&_from=R40&_trksi...
maxsilver 10y ago
Well, sure, a 7 year old used car costs less than a 3 year old one does. I'm not sure that's a fair comparison though. a Nissan LEAF or Renault Zoe will probably end up around your 4k euro price when they get to be 7 years old too. My point is that if you want an affordable EV option, they exist. You don't have to be an engineer to afford an electric car anymore, they've become reasonably cheap, and prices seem to slowly be dropping every year

dingaling 10y ago

> A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. Bear in mind that with many examples of Renault and Nissan EVs, you also have to pay a mandatory monthly battery leasing fee - even as the second or subsequent owner. So the headline purchase cost is only part of the price. There are some Zoes, and a larger proportion of Leafs, in which the battery is owned outright but one has to check before purchasing.

mmel 10y ago
Does that mean they replace the batteries at no cost when they start to fail, as you're leasing them and don't own them?