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Evidence about Lord? Evidence that the story is significantly false?

by graycat 10y ago

maxerickson 10y ago
The story is true, Trump used race and creed as wedge issues when he was working to open Mar-a-Lago as a social club (it had been a private estate). The part where I believe Jeffrey Lord is a sycophant is the part where he presents it as Trump nobly fighting for integration in Palm Beach, rather than Trump using accusations of racism to smear the town council and make it difficult for them to act to restrict his plans. http://www.snopes.com/so-you-think-you-know-donald-trump/ http://www.snopes.com/so-you-think-you-know-donald-trump/ Just to be clear, I don't think Donald Trump is malignantly racist, I think he's more or less nihilistic when it comes to people that aren't him. I believe that if he thought it would have been more profitable/easier to open a segregated club, he would have done that.
- graycat 10y ago
  So, net, in Palm Beach, Trump did fight racism hard and successfully. So, tough to claim that he is racist. His motives are more difficult to document. But the burden of proof that Trump is racist is on the accuser -- tough to prove that he never had a racist comment in a private conversation some place. Instead, the key issue is proof that he did something racist and, then, proof that he has done such things often enough to have a pattern that lets us conclude he is racist. I grew up in Memphis. Memphis was and still is awash in some strong and bitter racism against the Blacks. My parents were both from the North and wanted nothing to do with that racism; neither did I; and I got the heck out of the Deep South ASAP; my ancestors are from England and Germany, but, still, I did NOT like the strong racism of Memphis. Thus, from Memphis, I've seen a lot of racism. To me, I see no evidence that Trump is racist. To me, all the billions of Hillary campaign and MSM claims that Trump is racist are missing one simple item: Some solid evidence.
- graycat 10y ago
  "Creed"? You have in mind the Jews? Trump "used" the Jews for some business or political purpose? So, the implication is that Trump doesn't really care about the Jews? But, in this case we are awash in other evidence: Trump was made Grand Marshall of the Israeli day parade or some such. We note Ivanka's conversion and marriage to Jared. We just saw the astoundingly strong statement by Bibi. So, the game seems to be, if can't come up with such overwhelming evidence, and even when can, Trump is from the opposition anti-semitic. No evidence; just make the accusation; ignore that the burden of proof is on the accuser; when there is lots of evidence that the person is really a strong supporter of Israel, just ignore that evidence and repeat the accusation. I call BS. I'm still looking for solid evidence to support the accusations. Rivers of accusations from the Hillary campaign and the MSM, and so far not a single drop of meaningful evidence. Right, Trump is xenophobic, that is, doesn't like foreigners. He married two of them, his mother was one of them, he's hired thousands of them, and just because he wants to enforce long standing US immigration laws, policies, and practices, passed to protect US workers, we're supposed to believe he doesn't like foreigners? The US immigration laws are clearly examples of important labor laws; a lot of labor laws are really important; we should enforce the important labor laws, and that is reason enough for what Trump is doing on immigration. As a special case of the Jefferson piece, we've been getting rivers of BS propaganda: They just keep saying stuff, just nasty stuff, just keep saying it, give no meaningful evidence, and just let the nasty stuff just sit there while repeat it. BS.

Evidence about Lord? Evidence that the story is significantly false?

by graycat 10y ago

Evidence about Lord? Evidence that the story is significantly false?

The story is true, Trump used race and creed as wedge issues when he was working to open Mar-a-Lago as a social club (it had been a private estate). The part where I believe Jeffrey Lord is a sycophant is the part where he presents it as Trump nobly fighting for integration in Palm Beach, rather than Trump using accusations of racism to smear the town council and make it difficult for them to act to restrict his plans. http://www.snopes.com/so-you-think-you-know-donald-trump/ http://www.snopes.com/so-you-think-you-know-donald-trump/ Just to be clear, I don't think Donald Trump is malignantly racist, I think he's more or less nihilistic when it comes to people that aren't him. I believe that if he thought it would have been more profitable/easier to open a segregated club, he would have done that.

graycat 10y ago
So, net, in Palm Beach, Trump did fight racism hard and successfully. So, tough to claim that he is racist. His motives are more difficult to document. But the burden of proof that Trump is racist is on the accuser -- tough to prove that he never had a racist comment in a private conversation some place. Instead, the key issue is proof that he did something racist and, then, proof that he has done such things often enough to have a pattern that lets us conclude he is racist. I grew up in Memphis. Memphis was and still is awash in some strong and bitter racism against the Blacks. My parents were both from the North and wanted nothing to do with that racism; neither did I; and I got the heck out of the Deep South ASAP; my ancestors are from England and Germany, but, still, I did NOT like the strong racism of Memphis. Thus, from Memphis, I've seen a lot of racism. To me, I see no evidence that Trump is racist. To me, all the billions of Hillary campaign and MSM claims that Trump is racist are missing one simple item: Some solid evidence.
graycat 10y ago
"Creed"? You have in mind the Jews? Trump "used" the Jews for some business or political purpose? So, the implication is that Trump doesn't really care about the Jews? But, in this case we are awash in other evidence: Trump was made Grand Marshall of the Israeli day parade or some such. We note Ivanka's conversion and marriage to Jared. We just saw the astoundingly strong statement by Bibi. So, the game seems to be, if can't come up with such overwhelming evidence, and even when can, Trump is from the opposition anti-semitic. No evidence; just make the accusation; ignore that the burden of proof is on the accuser; when there is lots of evidence that the person is really a strong supporter of Israel, just ignore that evidence and repeat the accusation. I call BS. I'm still looking for solid evidence to support the accusations. Rivers of accusations from the Hillary campaign and the MSM, and so far not a single drop of meaningful evidence. Right, Trump is xenophobic, that is, doesn't like foreigners. He married two of them, his mother was one of them, he's hired thousands of them, and just because he wants to enforce long standing US immigration laws, policies, and practices, passed to protect US workers, we're supposed to believe he doesn't like foreigners? The US immigration laws are clearly examples of important labor laws; a lot of labor laws are really important; we should enforce the important labor laws, and that is reason enough for what Trump is doing on immigration. As a special case of the Jefferson piece, we've been getting rivers of BS propaganda: They just keep saying stuff, just nasty stuff, just keep saying it, give no meaningful evidence, and just let the nasty stuff just sit there while repeat it. BS.