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Scaleway (subsidiary of Online.net) offers even better value/performance deal than DO/Amazon/Linode. Their offering starts at €2.99/month for 2GB RAM, 50GB SSD,

Scaleway (subsidiary of Online.net) offers even better value/performance deal than DO/Amazon/Linode. Their offering starts at €2.99/month for 2GB RAM, 50GB SSD, 200mbit unmetered cloud server [0] [0] https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/

andriussev 10y ago
They offer Atom processors (at least on the 2.99/mo VPS): link to tests: http://pastebin.com/raw/kfaF7Nas http://pastebin.com/raw/kfaF7Nas Pretty bad results compared to the resources offered. I'll just stop now :( Contemplating moving to Linode now...
- jsnathan 10y ago
  As far as the CPU goes, try re-running sysbench with --num-threads=2. Since you get two cores, if your app can take advantage of that, the speed is about the same as the others.
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tux3 10y ago
The 200Mb/s unmetered pricing is really incredible. I have a server moving 20+TiB up and 20+TiB down per month for 2.99€. If I'm reading this right with EC2 pricing I'd be paying 1,750€/month just for the bandwith!
- logicallee 10y ago
  Well, you're obviously costing them money. (I will say that I personally think it's a bit abusive of you - I mean 20 GB would be one thing, but "20+ TiB"... I mean it's like going to an all you can eat buffet and eating 70 whole lobsters. 7 is one thing - but 70?) At least you're giving them free press here. :) On that note - how are latency and CPU access? Can you run a fast, performant site on it? (If you have actual numbers it would be great, such as ms to serve first page, for example, on an actual install.) Maybe some people here can help subsidize your excesses by hosting their tiny web apps on it... ;) (And knowing that if their site ever does blow up - suddenly spike in traffic - they'll be covered without huge bills.)
  - tux3 10y ago
    I would hope it's not abusive of me, I think I'm using around 136Mb/s of the promised 200. It's a Tor relay so it happily takes all the bandwidth it can get. And I sure am happy to give them free press, it is pretty incredible :) The CPU on the other hand isn't the beefiest (there are comparative benchmarks floating around), the advantage is probably going to be the predictable latency since it (almost) all runs on bare metal.
    - logicallee 10y ago
      I don't understand your numbers. 1 month in seconds is 2,629,743 seconds [1] and at 136 MB/s that is 357 TiB [2] - almost 10 times what you quoted. Are you really averaging 136 Mb/s day-in, day-out? Also, I'd like to understand this: >the advantage is probably going to be the predictable latency since it (almost) all runs on bare metal. Surely you get a VM don't you? How can it run on bare metal while giving you full access to your image? What did you mean by this bare metal remark . . . Thanks! [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=1+month+in+seconds https://www.google.com/search?q=1+month+in+seconds [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=136+mb%2Fsecond+*+1+month https://www.google.com/search?q=136+mb%2Fsecond+*+1+month
      - tux3 10y ago
        >I don't understand your numbers. 1 month in seconds is 2,629,743 seconds [1] and at 136 MB/s that is 357 TiB [2] - almost 10 times what you quoted Almost exactly 8 times, as a matter of fact :) I use Mb/s for megabits/s and not megabytes, so that comes out to a bit more than 40TiB, 20 up and 20 down. (The 136Mb/s I estimated was a big too high, actually. Here is my bandwidth chart if you're interested: https://i.imgur.com/l1rCeHC.png https://i.imgur.com/l1rCeHC.png) >Surely you get a VM don't you? How can it run on bare metal while giving you full access to your image? What did you mean by this bare metal remark . . . Thanks! I believe they have their own custom hardware that they manage directly, they spin one up and you run bare metal on one of these with some local SSDs attached. With the exception of, I think, the VPS which is KVM.
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- jameskegel 10y ago
  This comment actually got me to check them out, so right now I'm deploying 2 bare metal servers and benchmarking them against my DO boxen with interesting results. The SW boxen are outperforming the DO ones at times over 8x in disk IO, and connection to remote servers using vpsbench
zapu 10y ago
They also offer bare metal x86 servers at very affordable prices as well! If anyone needs something like this, try Kimsufi (OVH brand) [1]. Atom based servers for as low as 5 eur/mo. [1] https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml
- msbarnett 10y ago
  The scaleway bare metal server still have essentially virtualized storage, though, so it's not without its issues.
btzll 10y ago
What virtualization do they use? KVM or OpenVZ?
- weitzj 10y ago
  KVM for the VCS, otherwise bare metal. See their faq. It gets weird if you would like to pass additional kernel parameters during boot. My hope right now is that this might be possible via their API but not their website. You can select a precompiled kernel from which you want to boot your system. If you need other kernel features, you tell them so they add these. Machines boot via ipxi and fetch the kernel. Once kernel is loaded the system is handed off to your rootfs. You can install Windows on a bare metal machine, if you install a proper hypervisor. I tried it using KVM with Proxmox. I did not try nested KVM. I have read something/somewhere about Ubuntu MAAS, but I am not sure how this fits in.
ehPReth 10y ago
Do they require you to send in your documents (drivers license, utility bill, etc)? OVH required I send mine in to pay my next invoice after a few months of paying on time with no abuse complaints (nor doing anything that would generate such). I dumped them in the end :/ (OTOH, I've used one of these type of providers listed in the post for a few years without them demanding my papers so maybe it's just an OVH thing?)
- andriussev 10y ago
  Not as far as I used them. They don't support Paypal though, so you will need to add a credit card.
  - ehPReth 10y ago
    Oh great! I use credit cards everywhere (including previously with OVH) so no issue on my end. How long have you been with them?
    - andriussev 10y ago
      Off and on for a few months. Nothing too extensive. The support seemed to be okay too, on the basic account (apparently, you can pay a monthly fee to have better support). Though, considering that their servers run on Atom processors, you might want to reconsider, considering that your needs are. If you need me to run a test, feel free to message back and I'll quickly spin up a server and provide you the results.
- cknight 10y ago
  I ended up on Scaleway after OVH led me on with this nonsense as well. For me however, it was when I first signed up. After getting the documents in order (which actually wasn't easy, as it was for my startup and we didn't have much in the way of paperwork), they just had me sitting there waiting and waiting for the server to actually be provisioned. It was very painful. I cancelled - at least the refund process went smoothly. Ended up on Scaleway, no paperwork, no nonsense, no problems. Love it. I also have a $5 Vultr server and am very happy with it, though it's just not as good value for the price, for my needs.
oomathias 10y ago
I made the same benchmark: https://gist.github.com/oomathias/175c737c33a1254a28bb4e81e10bb0b4 https://gist.github.com/oomathias/175c737c33a1254a28bb4e81e1... I use Scaleway too but it's different, you have more ram, space, traffic but the perf are not comparable to Linode/DO.
- cknight 10y ago
  As jsnathan mentioned below, Scaleway's offerings are all multi-core. Sysbench defaults to using only one thread - you need to tell it to use more. (In your case, use --num-threads 4)
  - oomathias 10y ago
    Well, if your app cannot use multi-core this is what you get. SSD and memory perf are below too. Since SSD are not local it makes sense.
mrb 10y ago
My site (zorinaq.com) runs distributed instances on 3 of the 5 mentioned providers: Digital Ocean, Vultr, and Scaleway. I like Scaleway for their lowest price, and it's cool to have a barbone ARM server (which I chose over the x86-64 VPS) for 3€/mo. I like Vultr because they accept Bitcoin payments. But overall all 3 hosters are good and reliable in my experience.
- mreithub 10y ago
  I've had a quick look at your site because I'm currently using DO and Vultr with a PeerVPN[0] setup to connect the individual hosts - which brings me to my question: Is it just a static website or do these instances communicate with each other? If you do, I'd like to ask if you use a VPN to connect them (and which one)? I'm relatively happy with PeerVPN (with one or two rather minor annoyances that most likely can be solved if I actually spent time on them) but am always curious about alternatives. [0]: https://github.com/peervpn/peervpn https://github.com/peervpn/peervpn
  - mrb 10y ago
    The site is mostly static, expect the server-side Python code to handle the submission of blog comments. I use no VPN but have automated rsync runs, over SSH, to sync data files periodically. A description of my setup is at: http://blog.zorinaq.com/release-of-hablog-and-new-design/ http://blog.zorinaq.com/release-of-hablog-and-new-design/
- vivab0rg 10y ago
  > I like Vultr because they accept Bitcoin payments. This. I've been a loyal Linode user for years but recently gone with Vultr for side projects because they accept Bitcoin and had a $5 plan long before.
forcer 10y ago
It seems they are in beta and very hard to find out where their datacenters are
- perch56 10y ago
  If you refer to Scaleway, they have 2 DC's in Paris and Amsterdam.
CommanderData 10y ago
That's great and very similar to OVH prices. I host my main site and documentation section and needed something basic without bandwidth restrictions. I never exceed more than 50gb pm anyway but it's a nice to have. Ovh fits the bill but next time I'm looking, scaleway is definitely getting my business next.
CommanderData 10y ago
That's great and very similar to OVH price. I host my main site and documentation section and needed something basic without bandwidth restrictions. I never exceed more than 50gb pm anyway but it's a nice to have. Ovh fits the bill but next time I'm looking scaleway is definitely getting my business next.
Oipo 10y ago
I posted a comparison on the VC1S server on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5uz8c3/5_showdown_linode_vs_digitalocean_vs_amazon/ddy8bo9/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5uz8c3/5_showd...
chx 10y ago
Do note the SSDs are mounted via NBD and not local disks.
combatentropy 10y ago
Cool, Scaleway offers Arch Linux and Alpine Linux. Alpine is a lightweight distro that uses musl, BusyBox, and OpenRC --- not systemd.
mdekkers 10y ago
All ARM servers though
- LoneWolf 10y ago
  Nope, they do have x86_64 too, I have one of those.
  - mdekkers 10y ago
    yeah, just spotted that as well :) some Intel ARK kind of thing. What is the performance like?
- detaro 10y ago
  Nope: https://www.scaleway.com/faq/server/ https://www.scaleway.com/faq/server/
jasan_s 10y ago
Which of these would be best suited for a ghost blog. Under 50k visitors a month.
- apocalyptic0n3 10y ago
  That's really not that much traffic, so I don't think any of them will not be able to serve up so few hits. One of our servers is running on a $40 Linode and served up 186,698 unique visitors, 6,837,460 requests, and 552G of data last week alone and we had no issues with performance (in terms of bandwidth, CPU, memory usage, or disk usage). That Linode is a tad bit beefier than the $5 one, but I doubt you'll run into any issues with 50k visitors on a Ghost blog (which is, from what I saw last year while playing with it, fairly performant and optimized). If you are going the VPS route, just make sure the provider allows for resizing your instance in case you do end up needing a larger instance.
- vbtechguy 10y ago
  Linode wins hands down. Check out detailed benchmarks at https://community.centminmod.com/threads/kvm-vps-benchmarks-5-month-digitalocean-vs-vultr-vs-linode.10437/ https://community.centminmod.com/threads/kvm-vps-benchmarks-...
- dexterdog 10y ago
  Whichever is cheapest. For something like that these servers are all over-powered for what you need.
closeparen 10y ago
I'm sure that's great for Europeans, but having US datacenters and USD pricing is a major feature of DO/Linode. They don't seem to be competitors so much as serving different regions. Latency to Europe is quite significant.
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feduzi 10y ago
I've found some previous posts about bad customer service at Scaleway: https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/55kiqc/be_aware_of_scaleway_servers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/55kiqc/be_aware... https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/50thne/scaleway_stealing_money/?st=ittfp04e&sh=cba1762b https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/50thne/scaleway_ste... Can anyone tell how reliable they are?
- weitzj 10y ago
  I had one planned maintenance disruption using their API for a few minutes as well as about 30minutes disruption yesterday solely with their API. I told them about the latter via Twitter. I am not sure if they found this error themselves or if my Twitter post helped them. The status/incident-ticket page was updated after my Twitter post. I don't know how much of these 30 minutes was fixing the issue or just discovering my Tweet. Once they contacted me on Twitter it was fixed in < 5 minutes. These incidents happened in 6 weeks

andriussev 10y ago

They offer Atom processors (at least on the 2.99/mo VPS): link to tests: http://pastebin.com/raw/kfaF7Nas http://pastebin.com/raw/kfaF7Nas Pretty bad results compared to the resources offered. I'll just stop now :( Contemplating moving to Linode now...

jsnathan 10y ago
As far as the CPU goes, try re-running sysbench with --num-threads=2. Since you get two cores, if your app can take advantage of that, the speed is about the same as the others.

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tux3 10y ago

The 200Mb/s unmetered pricing is really incredible. I have a server moving 20+TiB up and 20+TiB down per month for 2.99€. If I'm reading this right with EC2 pricing I'd be paying 1,750€/month just for the bandwith!

logicallee 10y ago
Well, you're obviously costing them money. (I will say that I personally think it's a bit abusive of you - I mean 20 GB would be one thing, but "20+ TiB"... I mean it's like going to an all you can eat buffet and eating 70 whole lobsters. 7 is one thing - but 70?) At least you're giving them free press here. :) On that note - how are latency and CPU access? Can you run a fast, performant site on it? (If you have actual numbers it would be great, such as ms to serve first page, for example, on an actual install.) Maybe some people here can help subsidize your excesses by hosting their tiny web apps on it... ;) (And knowing that if their site ever does blow up - suddenly spike in traffic - they'll be covered without huge bills.)
- tux3 10y ago
  I would hope it's not abusive of me, I think I'm using around 136Mb/s of the promised 200. It's a Tor relay so it happily takes all the bandwidth it can get. And I sure am happy to give them free press, it is pretty incredible :) The CPU on the other hand isn't the beefiest (there are comparative benchmarks floating around), the advantage is probably going to be the predictable latency since it (almost) all runs on bare metal.
  - logicallee 10y ago
    I don't understand your numbers. 1 month in seconds is 2,629,743 seconds [1] and at 136 MB/s that is 357 TiB [2] - almost 10 times what you quoted. Are you really averaging 136 Mb/s day-in, day-out? Also, I'd like to understand this: >the advantage is probably going to be the predictable latency since it (almost) all runs on bare metal. Surely you get a VM don't you? How can it run on bare metal while giving you full access to your image? What did you mean by this bare metal remark . . . Thanks! [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=1+month+in+seconds https://www.google.com/search?q=1+month+in+seconds [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=136+mb%2Fsecond+*+1+month https://www.google.com/search?q=136+mb%2Fsecond+*+1+month
    - tux3 10y ago
      >I don't understand your numbers. 1 month in seconds is 2,629,743 seconds [1] and at 136 MB/s that is 357 TiB [2] - almost 10 times what you quoted Almost exactly 8 times, as a matter of fact :) I use Mb/s for megabits/s and not megabytes, so that comes out to a bit more than 40TiB, 20 up and 20 down. (The 136Mb/s I estimated was a big too high, actually. Here is my bandwidth chart if you're interested: https://i.imgur.com/l1rCeHC.png https://i.imgur.com/l1rCeHC.png) >Surely you get a VM don't you? How can it run on bare metal while giving you full access to your image? What did you mean by this bare metal remark . . . Thanks! I believe they have their own custom hardware that they manage directly, they spin one up and you run bare metal on one of these with some local SSDs attached. With the exception of, I think, the VPS which is KVM.
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jameskegel 10y ago
This comment actually got me to check them out, so right now I'm deploying 2 bare metal servers and benchmarking them against my DO boxen with interesting results. The SW boxen are outperforming the DO ones at times over 8x in disk IO, and connection to remote servers using vpsbench

zapu 10y ago

They also offer bare metal x86 servers at very affordable prices as well! If anyone needs something like this, try Kimsufi (OVH brand) [1]. Atom based servers for as low as 5 eur/mo. [1] https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml https://www.kimsufi.com/en/servers.xml

msbarnett 10y ago
The scaleway bare metal server still have essentially virtualized storage, though, so it's not without its issues.

btzll 10y ago

What virtualization do they use? KVM or OpenVZ?

weitzj 10y ago
KVM for the VCS, otherwise bare metal. See their faq. It gets weird if you would like to pass additional kernel parameters during boot. My hope right now is that this might be possible via their API but not their website. You can select a precompiled kernel from which you want to boot your system. If you need other kernel features, you tell them so they add these. Machines boot via ipxi and fetch the kernel. Once kernel is loaded the system is handed off to your rootfs. You can install Windows on a bare metal machine, if you install a proper hypervisor. I tried it using KVM with Proxmox. I did not try nested KVM. I have read something/somewhere about Ubuntu MAAS, but I am not sure how this fits in.

ehPReth 10y ago

Do they require you to send in your documents (drivers license, utility bill, etc)? OVH required I send mine in to pay my next invoice after a few months of paying on time with no abuse complaints (nor doing anything that would generate such). I dumped them in the end :/ (OTOH, I've used one of these type of providers listed in the post for a few years without them demanding my papers so maybe it's just an OVH thing?)

andriussev 10y ago
Not as far as I used them. They don't support Paypal though, so you will need to add a credit card.
- ehPReth 10y ago
  Oh great! I use credit cards everywhere (including previously with OVH) so no issue on my end. How long have you been with them?
  - andriussev 10y ago
    Off and on for a few months. Nothing too extensive. The support seemed to be okay too, on the basic account (apparently, you can pay a monthly fee to have better support). Though, considering that their servers run on Atom processors, you might want to reconsider, considering that your needs are. If you need me to run a test, feel free to message back and I'll quickly spin up a server and provide you the results.
cknight 10y ago
I ended up on Scaleway after OVH led me on with this nonsense as well. For me however, it was when I first signed up. After getting the documents in order (which actually wasn't easy, as it was for my startup and we didn't have much in the way of paperwork), they just had me sitting there waiting and waiting for the server to actually be provisioned. It was very painful. I cancelled - at least the refund process went smoothly. Ended up on Scaleway, no paperwork, no nonsense, no problems. Love it. I also have a $5 Vultr server and am very happy with it, though it's just not as good value for the price, for my needs.

oomathias 10y ago

I made the same benchmark: https://gist.github.com/oomathias/175c737c33a1254a28bb4e81e10bb0b4 https://gist.github.com/oomathias/175c737c33a1254a28bb4e81e1... I use Scaleway too but it's different, you have more ram, space, traffic but the perf are not comparable to Linode/DO.

cknight 10y ago
As jsnathan mentioned below, Scaleway's offerings are all multi-core. Sysbench defaults to using only one thread - you need to tell it to use more. (In your case, use --num-threads 4)
- oomathias 10y ago
  Well, if your app cannot use multi-core this is what you get. SSD and memory perf are below too. Since SSD are not local it makes sense.

mrb 10y ago

My site (zorinaq.com) runs distributed instances on 3 of the 5 mentioned providers: Digital Ocean, Vultr, and Scaleway. I like Scaleway for their lowest price, and it's cool to have a barbone ARM server (which I chose over the x86-64 VPS) for 3€/mo. I like Vultr because they accept Bitcoin payments. But overall all 3 hosters are good and reliable in my experience.

mreithub 10y ago
I've had a quick look at your site because I'm currently using DO and Vultr with a PeerVPN[0] setup to connect the individual hosts - which brings me to my question: Is it just a static website or do these instances communicate with each other? If you do, I'd like to ask if you use a VPN to connect them (and which one)? I'm relatively happy with PeerVPN (with one or two rather minor annoyances that most likely can be solved if I actually spent time on them) but am always curious about alternatives. [0]: https://github.com/peervpn/peervpn https://github.com/peervpn/peervpn
- mrb 10y ago
  The site is mostly static, expect the server-side Python code to handle the submission of blog comments. I use no VPN but have automated rsync runs, over SSH, to sync data files periodically. A description of my setup is at: http://blog.zorinaq.com/release-of-hablog-and-new-design/ http://blog.zorinaq.com/release-of-hablog-and-new-design/
vivab0rg 10y ago
> I like Vultr because they accept Bitcoin payments. This. I've been a loyal Linode user for years but recently gone with Vultr for side projects because they accept Bitcoin and had a $5 plan long before.

forcer 10y ago

It seems they are in beta and very hard to find out where their datacenters are

perch56 10y ago
If you refer to Scaleway, they have 2 DC's in Paris and Amsterdam.

CommanderData 10y ago

That's great and very similar to OVH prices. I host my main site and documentation section and needed something basic without bandwidth restrictions. I never exceed more than 50gb pm anyway but it's a nice to have. Ovh fits the bill but next time I'm looking, scaleway is definitely getting my business next.

CommanderData 10y ago

That's great and very similar to OVH price. I host my main site and documentation section and needed something basic without bandwidth restrictions. I never exceed more than 50gb pm anyway but it's a nice to have. Ovh fits the bill but next time I'm looking scaleway is definitely getting my business next.

Oipo 10y ago

I posted a comparison on the VC1S server on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5uz8c3/5_showdown_linode_vs_digitalocean_vs_amazon/ddy8bo9/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5uz8c3/5_showd...

chx 10y ago

Do note the SSDs are mounted via NBD and not local disks.

combatentropy 10y ago

Cool, Scaleway offers Arch Linux and Alpine Linux. Alpine is a lightweight distro that uses musl, BusyBox, and OpenRC --- not systemd.

mdekkers 10y ago

All ARM servers though

LoneWolf 10y ago
Nope, they do have x86_64 too, I have one of those.
- mdekkers 10y ago
  yeah, just spotted that as well :) some Intel ARK kind of thing. What is the performance like?
detaro 10y ago
Nope: https://www.scaleway.com/faq/server/ https://www.scaleway.com/faq/server/

jasan_s 10y ago

Which of these would be best suited for a ghost blog. Under 50k visitors a month.

apocalyptic0n3 10y ago
That's really not that much traffic, so I don't think any of them will not be able to serve up so few hits. One of our servers is running on a $40 Linode and served up 186,698 unique visitors, 6,837,460 requests, and 552G of data last week alone and we had no issues with performance (in terms of bandwidth, CPU, memory usage, or disk usage). That Linode is a tad bit beefier than the $5 one, but I doubt you'll run into any issues with 50k visitors on a Ghost blog (which is, from what I saw last year while playing with it, fairly performant and optimized). If you are going the VPS route, just make sure the provider allows for resizing your instance in case you do end up needing a larger instance.
vbtechguy 10y ago
Linode wins hands down. Check out detailed benchmarks at https://community.centminmod.com/threads/kvm-vps-benchmarks-5-month-digitalocean-vs-vultr-vs-linode.10437/ https://community.centminmod.com/threads/kvm-vps-benchmarks-...
dexterdog 10y ago
Whichever is cheapest. For something like that these servers are all over-powered for what you need.

closeparen 10y ago

I'm sure that's great for Europeans, but having US datacenters and USD pricing is a major feature of DO/Linode. They don't seem to be competitors so much as serving different regions. Latency to Europe is quite significant.

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feduzi 10y ago

I've found some previous posts about bad customer service at Scaleway: https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/55kiqc/be_aware_of_scaleway_servers/ https://www.reddit.com/r/webhosting/comments/55kiqc/be_aware... https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/50thne/scaleway_stealing_money/?st=ittfp04e&sh=cba1762b https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/50thne/scaleway_ste... Can anyone tell how reliable they are?

weitzj 10y ago
I had one planned maintenance disruption using their API for a few minutes as well as about 30minutes disruption yesterday solely with their API. I told them about the latter via Twitter. I am not sure if they found this error themselves or if my Twitter post helped them. The status/incident-ticket page was updated after my Twitter post. I don't know how much of these 30 minutes was fixing the issue or just discovering my Tweet. Once they contacted me on Twitter it was fixed in < 5 minutes. These incidents happened in 6 weeks