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Did you or did you not make a post on the internet saying "death to all jews"? The answer to that question is yes. Do you agree with me that context clearly m

Did you or did you not make a post on the internet saying "death to all jews"? The answer to that question is yes. Do you agree with me that context clearly matters?

foldr 10y ago
The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards.
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- mercer 10y ago
  > The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Which it is, thankfully. I'd argue that misrepresenting the situation and painting an image of said moron as an 'anti-semite' and a racist is actually far worse than making a joke about the holocaust. > Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards. Based on his apology video I get the impression that he's aware of that, and perhaps even understanding of Disney's decision to ditch him. What he takes issue with is how the media handled the situation, and I strongly agree with him.
  - foldr 10y ago
    Boo hoo hoo, why are people so upset by by my edgy taboo-breaking jokes? The answer is in the question, don't you think? I'm not sure I really buy his explanation for this anyway. Sure, the various bits of Nazi propaganda that he puts in his videos are framed as being part of jokes, but why choose to put Nazi propaganda in your videos on several different occasions? He at least seems to have some kind of unhealthy obsession with it.
    - mercer 10y ago
      Maybe it's different where you're from, but here in Holland my experience is that typical 'edgy' behavior is pretty much exactly the same as what he did. Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As an 'adult', I've become less offensive/edgy in part because I just don't care anymore, and in part because I think these kinds of jokes are not worth the potential emotional distress they can cause, nor the fact that they might normalize 'real' racism. Even so, among my inner circle WW2-themed jokes are still popular, including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. In my experience Sweden is very similar to Holland in our attitudes to WW2 and our sense of humor about it. And if you consider that PewDiePie's audience is significantly younger than he is, it doesn't strike me as suspicious that he'd make repeated edgy pro-nazi jokes, just like pretty much all young men and man-children that I know.
      - foldr 10y ago
        >Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. If that kind of disgusting behavior has been normalized then it really does need to be called out. Dutch and Swedish culture aren't beyond criticism. >Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As a gay person I can tell you that it's not very comforting to know that loudly homophobic people don't consider themselves to be homophobes. You might want to consider the effects of your actions on other people from time to time. > including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. So your Jewish friends are all laughing along with you at the gas chamber jokes? edit: I was foolish enough to take the word of you and other posters regarding the wording of the initial WSJ article. In fact, the article does not say that PewDiePie is anti-semitic, and it mentions that he was "joking". So I really have no idea what you guys are complaining about.

Did you or did you not make a post on the internet saying "death to all jews"? The answer to that question is yes. Do you agree with me that context clearly matters?

foldr 10y ago

The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards.

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mercer 10y ago
> The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Which it is, thankfully. I'd argue that misrepresenting the situation and painting an image of said moron as an 'anti-semite' and a racist is actually far worse than making a joke about the holocaust. > Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards. Based on his apology video I get the impression that he's aware of that, and perhaps even understanding of Disney's decision to ditch him. What he takes issue with is how the media handled the situation, and I strongly agree with him.
- foldr 10y ago
  Boo hoo hoo, why are people so upset by by my edgy taboo-breaking jokes? The answer is in the question, don't you think? I'm not sure I really buy his explanation for this anyway. Sure, the various bits of Nazi propaganda that he puts in his videos are framed as being part of jokes, but why choose to put Nazi propaganda in your videos on several different occasions? He at least seems to have some kind of unhealthy obsession with it.
  - mercer 10y ago
    Maybe it's different where you're from, but here in Holland my experience is that typical 'edgy' behavior is pretty much exactly the same as what he did. Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As an 'adult', I've become less offensive/edgy in part because I just don't care anymore, and in part because I think these kinds of jokes are not worth the potential emotional distress they can cause, nor the fact that they might normalize 'real' racism. Even so, among my inner circle WW2-themed jokes are still popular, including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. In my experience Sweden is very similar to Holland in our attitudes to WW2 and our sense of humor about it. And if you consider that PewDiePie's audience is significantly younger than he is, it doesn't strike me as suspicious that he'd make repeated edgy pro-nazi jokes, just like pretty much all young men and man-children that I know.
    - foldr 10y ago
      >Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. If that kind of disgusting behavior has been normalized then it really does need to be called out. Dutch and Swedish culture aren't beyond criticism. >Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As a gay person I can tell you that it's not very comforting to know that loudly homophobic people don't consider themselves to be homophobes. You might want to consider the effects of your actions on other people from time to time. > including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. So your Jewish friends are all laughing along with you at the gas chamber jokes? edit: I was foolish enough to take the word of you and other posters regarding the wording of the initial WSJ article. In fact, the article does not say that PewDiePie is anti-semitic, and it mentions that he was "joking". So I really have no idea what you guys are complaining about.