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You mention the WSJ as one of your preferred sources which is funny because they are currently responsible for a large number of young Democrats and Independent

You mention the WSJ as one of your preferred sources which is funny because they are currently responsible for a large number of young Democrats and Independents buying into Trumps "everything is fake news" bullshit thanks to their very much fake news hit piece they put out on a famous YouTuber (pewdiepie).

physicalist 10y ago
Hit piece? PewDiePie was effectively normalizing Nazi propaganda, for whatever reason. He should stop whining and admit that he has only himsrlf to blame. PewDiePie might not be racist, but he certainly is a spoiled brat who has no idea that actions can have consequences.
arjie 10y ago
I use them for business and financial news, not for political positions. And I care not one whit what happens to some random Internet personality considering the tendency of Internet gamer crowds to mire their lives in pointless orgies of perceived persecution. Besides, I judge these things on how successful they make me. If somehow false pewdiepie persecution affected me, maybe you could make me care.
pjc50 10y ago
Did he or did he not have a video with two people holding up a sign saying "death to all jews?" Are you claiming that is fake?
- purple-again 10y ago
  Did you or did you not make a post on the internet saying "death to all jews"? The answer to that question is yes. Do you agree with me that context clearly matters?
  - foldr 10y ago
    The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards.
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    - mercer 10y ago
      > The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Which it is, thankfully. I'd argue that misrepresenting the situation and painting an image of said moron as an 'anti-semite' and a racist is actually far worse than making a joke about the holocaust. > Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards. Based on his apology video I get the impression that he's aware of that, and perhaps even understanding of Disney's decision to ditch him. What he takes issue with is how the media handled the situation, and I strongly agree with him.
      - foldr 10y ago
        Boo hoo hoo, why are people so upset by by my edgy taboo-breaking jokes? The answer is in the question, don't you think? I'm not sure I really buy his explanation for this anyway. Sure, the various bits of Nazi propaganda that he puts in his videos are framed as being part of jokes, but why choose to put Nazi propaganda in your videos on several different occasions? He at least seems to have some kind of unhealthy obsession with it.
        mercer 10y ago
        Maybe it's different where you're from, but here in Holland my experience is that typical 'edgy' behavior is pretty much exactly the same as what he did. Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As an 'adult', I've become less offensive/edgy in part because I just don't care anymore, and in part because I think these kinds of jokes are not worth the potential emotional distress they can cause, nor the fact that they might normalize 'real' racism. Even so, among my inner circle WW2-themed jokes are still popular, including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. In my experience Sweden is very similar to Holland in our attitudes to WW2 and our sense of humor about it. And if you consider that PewDiePie's audience is significantly younger than he is, it doesn't strike me as suspicious that he'd make repeated edgy pro-nazi jokes, just like pretty much all young men and man-children that I know.
- DanBC 10y ago
  Also a sign saying "Hitler did nothing wrong".
- coldtea 10y ago
  No, I'm claiming it is misreported out of context and that your question is irrelevant as to what the news claims. The claim reported was that he is an anti-semite -- based on the posting of that picture, which he did in jest, to show how easy it is to exploit a service like Fiverr to make people do horrible things. It was openly intended to be an example of a horrible thing. If the original video wasn't enough, he explains the whole situation (with even worse media examples) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU So, yeah, this is the worse kind of fake news reporting, and people mostly buy it because they dislike pewdipie (or however it's written) or envy his success. And some for the cheap click-bait value of "unmasking" a popular youtuber as anti-semite, e.g.: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/15/youtube-pewdiepie-thinks-death-to-all-jews-joke-laughing-yet https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/15/youtub... (while they just unmask themselves as click-hungry hypocrites).
  - foldr 10y ago
    You're lying about the content of the WSJ article. I checked the text of it. It does not say that PewDiePie is anti-semitic, and it mentions that he was joking: "Since August, PewDiePie has posted nine videos that include anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery, according to a review of his channel by The Wall Street Journal." To say that the videos contained anti-semitic jokes and Nazi imagery is 100% accurate commentary.

physicalist 10y ago

Hit piece? PewDiePie was effectively normalizing Nazi propaganda, for whatever reason. He should stop whining and admit that he has only himsrlf to blame. PewDiePie might not be racist, but he certainly is a spoiled brat who has no idea that actions can have consequences.

arjie 10y ago

I use them for business and financial news, not for political positions. And I care not one whit what happens to some random Internet personality considering the tendency of Internet gamer crowds to mire their lives in pointless orgies of perceived persecution. Besides, I judge these things on how successful they make me. If somehow false pewdiepie persecution affected me, maybe you could make me care.

pjc50 10y ago

Did he or did he not have a video with two people holding up a sign saying "death to all jews?" Are you claiming that is fake?

purple-again 10y ago
Did you or did you not make a post on the internet saying "death to all jews"? The answer to that question is yes. Do you agree with me that context clearly matters?
- foldr 10y ago
  The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards.
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  - mercer 10y ago
    > The context is some moron who thinks it's ok to makes jokes about the Holocaust. Which it is, thankfully. I'd argue that misrepresenting the situation and painting an image of said moron as an 'anti-semite' and a racist is actually far worse than making a joke about the holocaust. > Sure, you can joke about anything, but that comes with attendant risks. Make jokes about the Holocaust if you want to, but unless those jokes are pretty damn amazing, don't expect to be very popular afterwards. Based on his apology video I get the impression that he's aware of that, and perhaps even understanding of Disney's decision to ditch him. What he takes issue with is how the media handled the situation, and I strongly agree with him.
    - foldr 10y ago
      Boo hoo hoo, why are people so upset by by my edgy taboo-breaking jokes? The answer is in the question, don't you think? I'm not sure I really buy his explanation for this anyway. Sure, the various bits of Nazi propaganda that he puts in his videos are framed as being part of jokes, but why choose to put Nazi propaganda in your videos on several different occasions? He at least seems to have some kind of unhealthy obsession with it.
      - mercer 10y ago
        Maybe it's different where you're from, but here in Holland my experience is that typical 'edgy' behavior is pretty much exactly the same as what he did. Growing up, even as far back as primary school, we would do the Hitler salute, quote the man, or make jokes about jews or gas chambers. Other popular edgy topics include loud homophobia, and ironically anal fixation. It was mostly the guys who did this, but it was rampant nonetheless (and IMO not indicative of deep-seated isms). As an 'adult', I've become less offensive/edgy in part because I just don't care anymore, and in part because I think these kinds of jokes are not worth the potential emotional distress they can cause, nor the fact that they might normalize 'real' racism. Even so, among my inner circle WW2-themed jokes are still popular, including overt endorsement of the Nazis and gas chamber jokes. As far as I can tell none of us are anti-semites or fascists. In my experience Sweden is very similar to Holland in our attitudes to WW2 and our sense of humor about it. And if you consider that PewDiePie's audience is significantly younger than he is, it doesn't strike me as suspicious that he'd make repeated edgy pro-nazi jokes, just like pretty much all young men and man-children that I know.
DanBC 10y ago
Also a sign saying "Hitler did nothing wrong".
coldtea 10y ago
No, I'm claiming it is misreported out of context and that your question is irrelevant as to what the news claims. The claim reported was that he is an anti-semite -- based on the posting of that picture, which he did in jest, to show how easy it is to exploit a service like Fiverr to make people do horrible things. It was openly intended to be an example of a horrible thing. If the original video wasn't enough, he explains the whole situation (with even worse media examples) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1DogcPmU So, yeah, this is the worse kind of fake news reporting, and people mostly buy it because they dislike pewdipie (or however it's written) or envy his success. And some for the cheap click-bait value of "unmasking" a popular youtuber as anti-semite, e.g.: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/15/youtube-pewdiepie-thinks-death-to-all-jews-joke-laughing-yet https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/15/youtub... (while they just unmask themselves as click-hungry hypocrites).
- foldr 10y ago
  You're lying about the content of the WSJ article. I checked the text of it. It does not say that PewDiePie is anti-semitic, and it mentions that he was joking: "Since August, PewDiePie has posted nine videos that include anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery, according to a review of his channel by The Wall Street Journal." To say that the videos contained anti-semitic jokes and Nazi imagery is 100% accurate commentary.