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Hi. My brother and I are working on a note taking system; one of the focuses being increased utility of tags. Of note relating to tags: - tags are hierarchica

Hi. My brother and I are working on a note taking system; one of the focuses being increased utility of tags. Of note relating to tags: - tags are hierarchically organized and inherit their parents. (Systems like gmail and evernote dont do this?! o_O) - NOT and AND blocks - Option for seeing full lineage of tag - "Tag Clusters" which are basically a named group of tags that are commonly used and can be bulk applied to an item On the way: Full AST (abstract syntax tree) tag/user/text querying (the UI isnt the easiest to nail down for OR / parenthetical groups) Laddice.com (desktop app only right now) Feel free to check it out, make an account and email me with thoughts, opinions and/or requests (email's in my profile.) Would love to talk more about this with you!

noonespecial 10y ago
Interesting. I'm working on an image tagging system that basically does the same. It grew out of the fact that I'm the family historian and I have 40k family pictures spanning 8 households that go back to 1840. Gets hard to find that one picture you vaguely remember seeing once.
kijin 10y ago
+1 for hierarchical tags. I've been organizing all my bookmarks (about 12K going back more than a decade) with Usenet-style tags like comp.lang.python and sci.bio.paleontology for several years now. It works great, especially since Pinboard lets me autocomplete by tag prefix. One of the things that I think most services like Gmail missed when they tried to replace folders with tags is that although the same item can belong to multiple categories, the categories themselves usually don't have a completely flat relationship to one another. An article can relate to both Python and paleontology, but that doesn't change the fact that Python is a programming language and paleontology is a subfield of the biological sciences. This will be very useful later when I'm trying to remember something that uses some programming language to analyze data in some subfield of the biological sciences, for example. Tags look cute on a screenshot when you have a few hundred items. But when you have tens of thousands of items, you need a bit of hierarchy to protect your sanity.
- icebraining 10y ago
  But Gmail tags do have hierarchy...
  - kijin 10y ago
    Nested labels were only introduced in 2010 or 2011. Can't remember exactly when, but they certainly weren't available when I first started and then stopped using Gmail. Something as basic as how to organize your email should not have been an afterthought.
    - RileyKyeden 10y ago
      It was probably a concession, not an afterthought. Google's whole thing with Gmail was "keep all your email, don't bother organizing, search will solve all."
  - NobleLie 10y ago
    My point was that in gmail, tags dont inherit their parent when searching Example: - Action - Task - Closed - Open When searching action, its my preference to see all items tagged with either Action, Task, Open or Closed, but gmail only filters for Action

noonespecial 10y ago

Interesting. I'm working on an image tagging system that basically does the same. It grew out of the fact that I'm the family historian and I have 40k family pictures spanning 8 households that go back to 1840. Gets hard to find that one picture you vaguely remember seeing once.

kijin 10y ago

+1 for hierarchical tags. I've been organizing all my bookmarks (about 12K going back more than a decade) with Usenet-style tags like comp.lang.python and sci.bio.paleontology for several years now. It works great, especially since Pinboard lets me autocomplete by tag prefix. One of the things that I think most services like Gmail missed when they tried to replace folders with tags is that although the same item can belong to multiple categories, the categories themselves usually don't have a completely flat relationship to one another. An article can relate to both Python and paleontology, but that doesn't change the fact that Python is a programming language and paleontology is a subfield of the biological sciences. This will be very useful later when I'm trying to remember something that uses some programming language to analyze data in some subfield of the biological sciences, for example. Tags look cute on a screenshot when you have a few hundred items. But when you have tens of thousands of items, you need a bit of hierarchy to protect your sanity.

icebraining 10y ago
But Gmail tags do have hierarchy...
- kijin 10y ago
  Nested labels were only introduced in 2010 or 2011. Can't remember exactly when, but they certainly weren't available when I first started and then stopped using Gmail. Something as basic as how to organize your email should not have been an afterthought.
  - RileyKyeden 10y ago
    It was probably a concession, not an afterthought. Google's whole thing with Gmail was "keep all your email, don't bother organizing, search will solve all."
- NobleLie 10y ago
  My point was that in gmail, tags dont inherit their parent when searching Example: - Action - Task - Closed - Open When searching action, its my preference to see all items tagged with either Action, Task, Open or Closed, but gmail only filters for Action